O'Brien, DarraghThursday, 23 September 2010 |
Committee of Public Accounts Debate
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During this discussion, reference has continually been made to legal advice. I wish to focus on the pensions aspect, a matter which I raised in June with the Secretary General and in respect of which...
We discussed this matter in great detail in June. Examples relating to UCD and other universities — with the exception of NUI Maynooth — were provided in this regard. It was clear that prior to the ...
So there was no change at all. It is clear that the circular issued by the Department of Finance in January 2009 — Mr. Ellison clarified this at our meeting on 3 June last — indicated that where ther...
It is accurate. If Dr. Browne reads the transcript from our meeting on 3 June, he will see that the Secretary General of the Department said that legal advice had been sought and that it indicated th...
The confusion was not created by the Committee of Public Accounts. I am using it as an example and do not wish to dwell on the specific case mentioned. However, I thank Dr. Browne for his clarificat...
Is Mr. Costello saying that because of the practise the universities followed there was a compulsion in terms of the granting of added years, that it was not discretionary? The rules governing the pe...
Most were granted added years.
If one takes the average as being five added years or 4.2 years in UCD and across the other sectors, that is the average figure based on all staff. Taking UCD in 2009 as an example, at the lower grad...
One cannot have more than over 40 years anyway.
That has nothing to do with Trinity College; that is the law.
The added years provision of the scheme remains discretionary.
The added years provision remains part of the 1972 scheme.
What is the position in respect of UCD?
I was speaking of a change in practice in the management of pension schemes. Did the trustees of the various schemes pre-transfer adhere to what they had been asked to do by the Department and have t...
What does Dr. Brady mean by “we would go through each case”?
What percentage of UCD retirees in 2009 were granted added years post-issue of the circular by the Department of Finance?
That is not what I am talking about. That has not transpired. My question is not about the number of staff retiring and I do not mean to use UCD as an example, as this provision applied across the b...
The 4.2 year average includes all staff who retire. Is it all grades or senior grades?
All grades, people who are post-2005 or more junior grades. What is the average for those at a senior level?
They are the more significant numbers. When one considers added years as a one-off cost of €4.2 million mentioned earlier, that permeates right through into a guaranteed annuity for life and the basi...
We are still in agreement on the basis that it has been a de facto part of the scheme rules.
Since the operation of those schemes have come under the Department of Finance, have added years been refused?
Has this area been clarified further with regard to new entrants into the schemes or, in particular, new entrants since the transfer of the scheme? The scheme rules seem to be pretty clear that it is...
And the maximum entitlement is five years.
Mr. Costello dealt with this matter. In the case of a person following on from doctoral studies it is understood there would be a period whereby they could not actually be working or contributing to ...
When did the HEA, Higher Education Authority begin to deal with the matter of the pensions in the universities? Has the HEA any dealings with the universities on this matter?
Due to the underfunded nature of the schemes.
I have two final questions. I will not go back over the issue of the allowances as this has been dealt with in detail today. I presume the special allowances or performance allowances that were paid...
Is there any evidence from Trinity College, UCD or NUIG in that regard? Do those universities look at their peers across the water?
I ask Dr. Brady, Professor Barry and Dr. Browne to comment. There is a view abroad or here that our university lecturers have less contact time than their counterparts in other countries. That is wh...
I do not know whether Professors McCraith and Hughes want to contribute. One of the reasons I asked about this is that it is linked to monitoring. One can spend all day every day monitoring but grea...
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