TEMPORARY STANDING ORDERS.

Monday, 11 September 1922

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 1 No. 2

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[62]AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  On the adoption of the Temporary Standing Orders I am bound to receive a Motion.

Mr. D.J. GOREY: Information on Denis John Gorey  Zoom on Denis John Gorey  I beg to propose that the Dáil do adopt the existing Standing Orders of Dáil Eireann until the said Committee shall have reported and the Dáil shall adopt other Standing Orders for the regulation of its business.

Mr. WM. O'BRIEN: Information on William O'Brien  Zoom on William O'Brien  I second the Motion.

Motion put and agreed to.

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  I think that the Committee on Standing Orders of which I have been appointed Chairman should meet at the earliest possible moment. I suggest to-morrow at 11.30, if the members will come to my room at that hour. I should mention another small point. It will be necessary to appoint a number of Committees. I suggest, and I think the Dáil will approve, that the gentlemen who met me to-day should meet me to-morrow at these rooms, to make such suggestions, as they may think fit, on this and on general matters.

Mr. T. JOHNSON: Information on Thomas Johnson  Zoom on Thomas Johnson  I have given notice of my desire to ask for the suspension of the Orders of the day to deal with a matter of urgent National importance. I have a resolution which I propose to move with the permission of the Dáil; it reads as follows:—That this Dáil repudiates the statement issued by the Minister for Home Affairs beginning with the words: “The Government does not recognise the right of Civil Servants to strike”...

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  The business on the Order paper is a statement by the President by leave of the Dáil. The question which Deputy Johnson proposes to discuss does not seem to me to be of sufficient National importance in comparison with the matter on the Agenda paper.

Mr. T. JOHNSON: Information on Thomas Johnson  Zoom on Thomas Johnson  I think that——

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  My ruling is that this matter is not of urgent National importance.

[63]Mr. T. JOHNSON: Information on Thomas Johnson  Zoom on Thomas Johnson  If I may be allowed to read the Standing Orders, they say: “The Chairman shall at the request of a Deputy suspend the Orders of the day for the discussion of a matter of special National importance provided that on a sow of hands the request has the support of 10 Deputies.”

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  It is to be presumed that the Speaker is to be the Judge as to whether it is a matter of urgent National importance.

CATHAL O'SHANNON: Information on Cathal O'Shannon  Zoom on Cathal O'Shannon  There is nothing in the Standing Orders to show that the Speaker is the Judge as to whether it is a matter of National importance.

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  Nothing is of greater National importance than the matter on the Agenda paper.

Mr. T. JOHNSON: Information on Thomas Johnson  Zoom on Thomas Johnson  It is not aquestion of comparative importance. It is a question of a special matter of Natioual importance, and if the decision of the Minister to declare men outlaws for doing what has been recognised for a generation is not of National importance, then I do not know what the meaning of the term is.

Mr. GAVAN DUFFY: Information on George Gavan Duffy  Zoom on George Gavan Duffy  On a point of Order, I submit that it is not for the Chair to say whether it is a matter of National importance or not. I have no particular interest in this question, and I probably shall not support the gentlemen in their views on the subject they wish discussed. It is absolutely essential in this Dáil that this particular rule should be observed, and that the Orders of the day should be suspended for discussion of a matter of National importance when the request is supported by ten Members.

The MINISTER for LOCAL GOVERNMENT: (Mr. E. Blythe): Information on Ernest Blythe  Zoom on Ernest Blythe  There could be no more ridiculous theory than that ten members should have the right of defining what is of urgent National importance. If that were recognised then 10 Members could occupy the time of this Dáil and interfere with the business generally.

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  The [64] Standing Orders must be interpreted on the lines of ordinary business procedure.

CATHAL O'SHANNON: Information on Cathal O'Shannon  Zoom on Cathal O'Shannon  I submit that you have no authority from the Standing Orders in preventing Deputy Johnson from bringing this matter before the Dáil.

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  I have ruled on the Standing Orders. A discussion on that point can be raised later on.

The PRESIDENT: Information on William T. Cosgrave  Zoom on William T. Cosgrave  Is that Section 5 of the Standing Orders?

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  Yes, Section 5.

Mr. W.A. DAVIN: Information on William Davin  Zoom on William Davin  The Minister for Local Government has submitted that it is silly for ten members to do this. I submit that it is more silly for one man to have the right to decide what should be done.

Mr. P. O'MAILLE: Information on Pádraic Ó Maille  Zoom on Pádraic Ó Maille  Without wanting to continue the discussion I would suggest that on the reading of the Standing Orders of the day as to the discussion of a matter of National importance that most undoubtedly this question is one of National importance. This is a matter which Mr. Johnson suggests, and I agree with him, should be given time to hav discussed. It can be brought up on the question for adjournment, or later on in the day, but I think the President's statement is entitled to precedence.

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  I am prepared to allow the matter to be raised on the adjournment.

Mr. T. JOHNSON: Information on Thomas Johnson  Zoom on Thomas Johnson  Will you fix the hour for the adjournment?

Mr. DARRELL FIGGIS: Information on Darrell Figgis  Zoom on Darrell Figgis  I would suggest that the adjournment be at 6 o'clock, and that this question by Mr. Johnson be taken on the motion for adjournment.

AN CEANN COMHAIRLE: Information on Michael Hayes  Zoom on Michael Hayes  I should suggest that the Dáil should adjourn, resume at 7, and, on the motion for adjournment, this question should be raised.

Agreed.


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