Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Decrees Against Land Annuitants.

Wednesday, 1 March 1933

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 46 No. 2

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Mr. O'Donovan: Information on Timothy Joseph O'Donovan  Zoom on Timothy Joseph O'Donovan  asked the Minister for Lands and Fisheries if he will state (a) if it is proposed to lodge for execution the decrees which have been obtained against land annuitants within the last six months, and if so when, and if not, what terms will be offered to the land annuitants affected; (b) how it is proposed to deal (1) with land annuitants against whom decrees have been obtained, but on which a stay of execution has been placed for periods which have not yet expired, and (2) with land annuitants against whom proceedings are pending but against whom decrees have not yet been obtained, and (c) how it is proposed to deal with land annuitants not affected by the foregoing.

Minister for Defence (Mr. Aiken) (for Minister for Lands and Fisheries): Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  It is proposed to continue the stay which has been placed on decrees in respect of unpaid instalments of Land Purchase Annuities and to withdraw proceedings where decrees have not been obtained.

As has already been announced, all [57] land annuitants who are in arrear, will get an opportunity of paying or of having their arrears funded over a period of 50 years.

Mr. Dillon: Information on James Matthew Dillon  Zoom on James Matthew Dillon  Would the Minister, at an early date, have some kind of statement prepared explaining fully to the people what their exact position is in respect of each gale of the annuities since last June, because there is considerable confusion now as to what gale the Government's proposals for funding apply. I would ask the Minister to consider setting out for the people in some plain and categorical way what their obligations are in respect to each gale, say, for the last three gales.

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  It has been announced that all the arrears outstanding on 1st June this year will be funded: that the annuitants will get an opportunity of having their arrears funded over a period of 50 years.

Mr. Dillon: Information on James Matthew Dillon  Zoom on James Matthew Dillon  Up to when?

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  Up to 1st June this year —all arrears found outstanding.

Mr. McGilligan: Information on Patrick McGilligan  Zoom on Patrick McGilligan  No matter from what date they accrued?

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  Yes.

Mr. Cosgrave: Information on William T. Cosgrave  Zoom on William T. Cosgrave  Is that an advance on the previous offer?

Mr. Dillon: Information on James Matthew Dillon  Zoom on James Matthew Dillon  In connection with this there is confusion in the public mind. I will not say that there is any confusion in the Ministerial mind. I think it would be of very great assistance to everyone and would help to ensure the success of the Government's scheme if a short statement were prepared setting out what the exact position is with reference to each gale.

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  Any confusion that has arisen in the public mind in connection with this was created by people who tried to confuse the public at the last General Election. The Government's policy was announced.

Mr. Cosgrave: Information on William T. Cosgrave  Zoom on William T. Cosgrave  Is the Minister correcting now a previous statement made by the Minister for Lands and Fisheries to the effect that the June annuity for 1932 should be paid; that [58] the December annuity for 1931 would be funded; that the November and December annuities for 1932 would be funded, and that the May and June annuities of 1933 would be funded? If the Minister's statement is correct, the June annuity for 1932 in respect of which quite a number of Civil Bills were issued is now being funded as well. Is that an advance on the previous offer made?

Mr. Dillon: Information on James Matthew Dillon  Zoom on James Matthew Dillon  I hope the Minister is beginning to realise that my question was a constructive and helpful one and that there is confusion in the public mind with regard to this. May I say further that I think it is grossly improper for a Minister to suggest, on the occasion of a question of this kind, that there was any attempt on our part or on the part of anybody else to confuse the public mind on this. I hope the Minister will have the short statement I have suggested prepared and circulated so that people may be in a position to comply with the law, whatever it may be.

Mr. Clery: Information on Michael Cleary  Zoom on Michael Cleary  Might I suggest that we should have another General Election in order to give Deputy Dillon an opportunity of making up his mind as between outstanding gales and Cumann na nGaedheal?

Mr. MacDermot: Information on Frank McDermot  Zoom on Frank McDermot  Is the Minister aware that when the Government's proposals were first announced I specifically asked if they applied to the May and June annuities of last year, and I was informed by the President that they did not?

Mr. McGilligan: Information on Patrick McGilligan  Zoom on Patrick McGilligan  They do now.


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