Moneylenders (No. 2) Bill, 1933—First Stage.

Tuesday, 20 June 1933

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 48 No. 6

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Leave granted to introduce a Bill entitled an Act to amend the law with respect to persons carrying on business as moneylenders.—(Minister for Justice.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  There is on the Order Paper, page 237, a Moneylenders Bill down for Second reading. It is a Private Deputy's Bill.

Mr. Briscoe: Information on Robert Briscoe  Zoom on Robert Briscoe  May I ask leave from the House to withdraw this Bill?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  Moved that the Order for Second Stage be discharged.

Mr. Dillon: Information on James Matthew Dillon  Zoom on James Matthew Dillon  In view of the fact that the Bill referred to is being withdrawn, is it the intention of the Minister to inform the House if this Bill is an identical Bill which has been sponsored by the Government? Before the Deputy is allowed to withdraw his Bill, perhaps the Minister responsible for No. 1, would inform the House what is the nature of it.

Mr. Ruttledge: Information on Patrick Joseph Ruttledge  Zoom on Patrick Joseph Ruttledge  It is not exactly identical but it is something on the same lines.

Mr. Dillon: Information on James Matthew Dillon  Zoom on James Matthew Dillon  Am I correct in believing that the Bill originally introduced by private members went before a Special Committee and the Special Committee dealt with it in a certain way and it was to come back to us for further consideration? Am I to understand that the introduction of Bill No. 2 results from the fact that the Government [705] did not like the Bill as it came back from the Committee? Does it mean that the Committee suggested that all the moneylenders should learn Irish?

General Mulcahy: Information on Richard James Mulcahy  Zoom on Richard James Mulcahy  Might we agree that the first Bill would not be withdrawn until the Bill now before the House has been circulated so that Deputies might have both Bills before them?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  That course might be followed.

Mr. Morrissey: Information on Daniel Morrissey  Zoom on Daniel Morrissey  Is not this a new procedure? I understood that when a Private Bill, introduced by a private member, came to the Second Stage, it was usually taken over by the Government and put through as a Government measure.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  I understand that that is substantially what has been done.

Mr. Morrissey: Information on Daniel Morrissey  Zoom on Daniel Morrissey  We are told by the Minister that it is substantially the same Bill, but surely we ought to be told more than that.

Mr. Ruttledge: Information on Patrick Joseph Ruttledge  Zoom on Patrick Joseph Ruttledge  I have no objection to letting the other Bill stand until this Bill has been circulated.

Second Stage ordered for 28th June, 1933.

Mr. Briscoe: Information on Robert Briscoe  Zoom on Robert Briscoe  I think it is the first business of private members now.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  I am sure the House will agree not to have the Bill taken in view of the fact that the Government Bill is on the Order Paper.


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