Thursday, 13 December 1934
Dáil Éireann Debate
That as regards any Act of the present Session to provide for and regulate the acquisition by birth or otherwise of citizenship of Saorstát Eireann and the forfeiture or loss of such citizenship, and to provide for divers matters connected with the matters aforesaid, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas of any expenses incurred in carrying such Act into effect being expenses which are required by the provisions of such Act to be defrayed out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas.
It is not anticipated that the expenditure under this Bill will be very large. It will be incurred principally in the matter of printing, stationery and things of that sort. The resolution is to allow for any unforeseen contingencies that may arise.
Mr. Esmonde: I disagree with the Minister in what he says about the expenditure under this Bill. The expenses under this Bill will be considerable. So far as I can make out, the expenditure under the Citizenship Bill in future years may amount to something like  half a million a year, that is judging by the Government amendments down for the Committee Stage of the Bill. These amendments show that it is the intention of the Government, as far as they can, to deprive the citizens of this State of the dual citizenship of the Commonwealth. Citizens of this State in future will be unable to call upon the consuls of the Commonwealth in different parts of the world for assistance. Consequently it will be necessary for us to establish a very widespread consular service in order to deal with the requirements both in regard to this Bill and the ordinary routine functions of issuing visas and passports. The result will be that a very heavy expenditure will be put upon the people of this State. At the present time the citizens of this State all over the world, in view of the introduction of the Citizenship Bill——
The President: Yes, if they are relevant. I suggest that we are discussing a question of the expenditure which may arise as a result of the operations of this Bill. The Deputy is speaking on quite an independent matter altogether.
Mr. Esmonde: The direct expenditure as a result of the operations of the Citizenship Bill may not be so very great, but I was going to point out that the indirect expenditure as a result of the Bill may amount to  £500,000 a year. I mentioned that because I am aware that some countries like ours which maintain a consular service find that it costs about £500,000 to £750,000 a year to run that service. Because of the wide diffusion of our race, expenditure will probably be more considerable in our case than would be necessitated in the case of the independent consular services of such countries as Denmark, Sweden and Norway. I am only referring to what will be the indirect result of this Bill. I am not referring to direct expenditure.
Mr. McGilligan: I desire to raise a point of order, the motion having now been carried. The formula used in this motion runs according to the title of the Bill as we have it. It is proposed to make an amendment to the Bill which will certainly enlarge the field of expenditure. If the amendments tabled are carried and the title of the Bill is, consequently, enlarged, will a new Money Resolution be required?
Mr. McGilligan: There is an amendment on the Paper by the Government to change the title of the Bill. If it were considered that money might be required not covered by the field of the previous title, but covered by the new title, I take it that a new Money Resolution would be required.
An Ceann Comhairle: As I informed the House yesterday, these amendments  were carefully considered by the Ceann Comhairle. In the opinion of the Chair, they do not widen the scope of the Bill, even with the amended title.
The President: I take it that the point is that the words used in the Resolution on the Order Paper do not conform strictly to the title of the Bill as it will be if the amendment on the Order Paper is accepted.
The President: It is a question of the terms of the Money Resolution which has been passed. (Resolution quoted). Literally, there is nothing in that Resolution that affects the title of the Bill. When the time comes, I shall contend that there is no substance in the point that the scope of this Bill has been widened.
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