Lemass, Seán F.Wednesday, 15 April 1942 |
Dáil Éireann Debate
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Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Bread Supply in Dublin.
Complaints have been made that persons in different districts of Dublin have been unable to get their normal supplies of bread and such complaints have been investigated. I am satisfied that there is...
It can happen, of course, that the supply in an individual shop will run out, and the Deputy will understand that in present circumstances there must be a curtailment of bread consumption by everybody...
The bakers who own these shops have made arrangements to register the customers normally supplied by them through these shops.
They have done so.
I do not think so.
No.
No.
I realise that fully.
There is a scarcity and that is why we have to curtail supplies of bread to everybody. I want Deputy Byrne to appreciate that an equitable distribution of the available supplies of bread will not giv...
Through the bakers more than 80 per cent. is going out.
Somebody is.
It is Deputies who are getting excited.
In bakers' shops more than 80 per cent. is available.
Certainly.
They are.
I will deal with questions Nos. 10 and 14 together. I am aware that queues are still forming outside bakers' bread shops in some parts of the city. Officers of my Department have carried out a numbe...
The master bakers meet me regularly.
The persons forming queues on many occasions, when interviewed by officers of the Department and asked why they were waiting in queues when there was bread on sale at the time, in nine cases out of te...
I will investigate any case.
No. I think there is enough political propaganda being made out of our difficulties already.
I could not agree to that at all. The inspectors' reports were submitted, not for publication, but for the information of the Minister.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Flour Supplies.
The position is as stated in the question. Every retailer is, however, getting his proper quota of flour but it appears clear that many of these retailers are not making an equitable distribution of ...
I want to say that any Deputies who think these difficulties are going to disappear with rationing are bigger fools than I thought they were. I think the difficulties will only begin when we attempt...
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Lease of British Mine.
No such proposal has been made to the British Government.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Chip-Potatoes.
I will be prepared to arrange for a discussion with the organisation in question, if they so desire, for the purpose mentioned in the question. The Deputy should, however, keep in mind that the probl...
It has been only with difficulty that the supplies of oil required by fish and chip merchants have been maintained to them so far and there can be no guarantee that there will be any oils at all in fu...
I refer the Deputy to the reply I have given.
What astonished me about the question was the suggestion that they had any difficulty in getting in touch with me.
The Deputy misunderstands the situation.
I have taken the initiative for 18 months and kept them in production for 18 months, even though I had to get from some other essential industries the oils and fats required. There is no possibility o...
No.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Flour Shortage in Kerry.
I have received complaints alleging shortage of flour in some of the areas mentioned and the general question is at present being investigated by an outdoor officer of my Department.
Deputies should be fully aware of the position of the rationing scheme in relation to bread if they read the newspapers.
Read the daily papers. It has been published several times.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Supplies of Flour in West Galway and North Mayo.
In view of the limited quantity of wheat available, it has been found necessary to reduce the quantity of flour to be produced by millers to 80 per cent. of their deliveries in 1940. Traders in a numb...
I think the Deputy is aware that steps have already been taken to relieve the situation in West Donegal.
I do not follow the Deputy's point. In certain districts— West Donegal, North Mayo and the Connemara area—difficulties arose during the last quota period by reason of the fact that travelling shops w...
I made no reference to the Dublin newspapers.
When I referred to the newspapers, I was not referring to the distribution of flour.
Local arrangements have been made to deal with these difficulties. There are officers of my Department in these districts at present whose efforts are directed to seeing that difficulties of distrib...
That does not apply in Belmullet. In the case of Belmullet, there has been difficulty of distribution due mainly to the curtailment of the activities of travelling shops. That has been rectified. Th...
Certainly. I have already said so.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Use of Motor-Cars.
Petrol supplies for use in private motor vehicles have hitherto been issued on a monthly basis for current use in such vehicles during the month of issue. I am not prepared to issue a permit to any m...
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Petrol for Small Farmers.
It will not be possible to grant a permit for private cars used after the 1st proximo by small farmers, vegetable and fruit growers in County Dublin or elsewhere who use such cars with trailers for th...
The Deputy may assume that snch a statement will be made before the 1st May.
Yes.
The Deputy can assume that communications have been sent by my Department to such people where-ever it appears that they require such advice. I am prepared to consider making a public statement if th...
The taking out of the back seat does not convert a car into a van. That is the only case in which they were refused.
If any person is in doubt as to the alterations necessary to enable a vehicle to be regarded as a van he can communicate with the Department. There are explicit instructions available. Probably they ...
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Increased Banking Charges.
I am not prepared to make available the information requested by the Deputy as, in my opinion, consideration of the estimated sum derivable from the increase in the banking charges, without regard to ...
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Coal Stores.
I am not in a position to give the information asked for in the question. For a considerable time, practically all the coal coming into the country is of the same quality and none of it could be desc...
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Extension of Food Voucher System.
It is not proposed to extend the scope of the Food Allowances Scheme in the manner suggested by the Deputy.
I have nothing to add to the answer I gave the Deputy.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Deputies and “Irish Trade Journal.”
Except in the case of copies issued to the Press, the copies of the Irish Trade Journal and Statistical Bulletin sent to all names on the free mailing list are issued through course of post on the sam...
They are all sent out on the same date.
Deputies received them at the same time as the library.
The Deputy understands that this journal is not a Parliamentary document, and there is no obligation to send copies to Deputies at all; but there is a courtesy arrangement by which Deputies, on reques...
I would want notice of that question.
It is not. It is not a Parliamentary production.
It ia a publication of the Department of Industry and Commerce.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Reconstruction of Kildare House.
That is a matter of opinion.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Price of Malting Barley.
And not getting it.
Order of Business.
The members of the Labour Party have had three weeks in which to prepare amendments to the Bill. It is quite true that if I had received the request in good time I would have been prepared, to consid...
Then, presumably, the Deputy only considered the matter yesterday.
It is at least a fortnight since I met representatives of the Trade Union Congress. It is quite true that I told them that I would consider any amendments submitted, but I did not receive the impress...
Air Navigation and Transport (Amendment) Bill, 1942—First Stage.
The Bill will be circulated in a day or two; it is a very small Bill, and we may be able to take the Second Stage next Wednesday. Second Stage ordered, provisionally, for Wednesday, 22nd April.
Insurance (Intermittent Unemployment) Bill, 1939—Report Stage.
I move the following amendment:— In page 10, lines 25 to 37, to delete Section 18 (4) and to substitute the following sub-section:— (4) Where a person is employed in any calendar week under the same ...
If there is any objection to taking the Fifth Stage of the Bill now, I propose to take it to-morrow.
Building Societies Bill, 1942—Second Stage.
I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. This Bill was prepared in happier circumstances and to meet the situation existing in other times; but as it was ready for circulation and as I did not...
Exactly.
I could not say. That is a matter for negotiation between the societies, and the banks. These loans are guaranteed by a local authority and presumably they will be available at a lower rate of inter...
It does not arise in this Bill, as we are merely empowering the society to borrow under these circumstances. Question put and agreed to. Committee Stage fixed for Wednesday, 22nd April.
Committee on Finance. - Electricity Supply Board (Superannuation) Bill, 1942—Money Resolution.
I move:— That it is expedient to authorise the payment out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas of any expenses incurred by the Minister for Industry and Commerce in the adminisiration of any Act of t...
I am not sure that that arises on the Money Resolution. I deny emphatically that there is any moral obligation on the Minister or that there has been any delay in the preparation of the scheme.
There was no undertaking that any scheme would be introduced.
There was not.
There was no undertaking to introduce a pensions scheme.
I do not accept that at all.
It was also thought at that time that the estimates of the financial results of the board's working were much better than were justified, and it was only after years of working of the board that a pos...
I hope Deputy Cosgrave was not suggesting a personal contribution.
Committee on Finance. - Electricity Supply Board (Superannuation) Bill, 1942—Committee.
I move amendment No. 1:— Section 1. In page 2, after line 36, to add the following words “references to superannuation benefits payable to or receivable by a person or to which a person is entitled s...
With regard to the member of the present board who is personally affected by the form of the section, I do not think there is any case at all. I refer to the member of the board whose appointment to ...
I am prepared to consider an amendment to the section along the lines I have indicated. If there is to be aggregation, of service, it should be in respect only of long periods. A man going in for s...
I think that there is a case for aggregation in respect of the future where there is protracted service.
They are appointed for yearly periods at present but that was primarily done to synchronise the appointments. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Certainly not.
If there is any purpose at all in having a pensions scheme for the members of the board, it is to retain, for the service of the board, persons who are worth retaining: to give them that additional ad...
We cannot bid against every opportunity of that kind that may present itself to an individual.
That would be unduly liberal. A person accepts a warrant of appointment for a specified number of years and should be required to give that service at least before qualifying for a pension.
I regard this pension scheme as a provision for old age or ill-health in the case of members of the board who have given long service. I do not regard it as an increase in their remuneration because,...
That is true.
He would have to make a personal bargain.
Is not that being done?
Taking into account the possibility of compensation for the termination of appointments having been made in respect of an earlier period of service, I think there is a case for the aggregation of serv...
The basis of pension in the scheme was arrived at by way of a compromise between the different conflicting views held by the board, by myself and by the Minister for Finance. The Minister for Finance...
But in respect of a much longer period of service.
The number is likely to be as great as the number of heads of departments likely to be on pension at any time.
In preparing this pension scheme for members of the board, the pensions of the Civil Service have to be taken into account. I think it would be open to serious question if we were to make for retired...
These pensions are not contributory.
It is easy enough for Deputies to urge more generous provisions and it is not always easy to resist that plea, but we have to try to be reasonable. The Bill provides that if a man dies in harness the...
Quite. A year's salary is paid anyway. That is quite true.
No. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Amendment No. 7 not moved. Sections 2 and 3 put and agreed to. SECTION 4. As soon as conveniently may be after the passing of this Act, the board shall prepare in a...
No, or who may come into the service.
And have already left. How can they be brought in?
I have no idea of what is involved. Most persons who left the service, apart from women clerical workers who left to get married, would have left because they were dismissed for some good reason or ...
I will look into the point. I must be satisfied that there is a substantial number of such persons and real grievances to be remedied.
I suppose that is another point of view. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
I presume so.
I will look into the point. I presume the scheme to be prepared by the board will provide for them. Section put and agreed to.
That is true. There must be consultation with the board.
Yes.
We must have a means of bringing to an end any deadlock that may arise. I am aware that Deputies hold different views as to the justification of having the board's scheme submitted for confirmation a...
That means that in the last resort there will be no agreement unless the board are prepared to accept the particular points. It is much better to have the power to say in default of agreement: “Becau...
I do not think so.
Having spent a number of years trying to evolve a pensions scheme for the Great Southern Railways Company, I am sure it is not a bogey. One of the reasons I was not at all anxious to have this Electr...
The Minister for Finance is charged with the supervision and control of the public services of the State, and he wants to ensure that, in this particular organisation, which is fairly closely related ...
There are engineers in the Civil Service too.
On this very Bill, I heard it stated that an electrician should get the same wages as a plumber.
But in fact he does not get as much.
In practice, it will be only where it is clearly justified from the point of public interest, that there will be any interference.
I could not agree that there are not in the Civil Service men who in their particular branches are not as highly qualified or as eminent as similar officials in the Electricity Supply Board.
There are specialised people in the Civil Service who were attracted into the public service by reason of the security offered in that service but who, if they took a chance in professional life, migh...
In relation to the classes of professional men employed in the board's service, the rate of remuneration plus security which they are offering has been considered quite attractive by the persons conce...
There is a dual responsibility. There is the responsibility of the Minister for Industry and Commerce to electricity consumers, on the one hand, and the possible demands that may be made upon other or...
If it involved an increase in electricity charges, surely he has responsibility?
In normal circumstances that is true.
If the board increase their charges for electricity, I give the Deputy two guesses as to whom all the resolutions of protest will be sent to.
Quite.
By whom should they be made?
The regulations, say, contemplated in Section 8?
And the Minister makes the regulations in regard to those matters which are set out there: “...providing for the investment of such fund in accordance with this Act; providing for the keeping and audi...
It is the regulations made under the section which are referred to here.
According to regulations made thereunder, and the section says that the Minister may make regulations in relation to a number of specific matters.
The Deputy's argument now is that this is a drafting point and that it is not necessary.
And possibly a scheme prepared by the board would involve such regulations.
I cannot, but I can contemplate the board preparing a scheme and providing in that scheme that certain things will be done by the Minister, or in accordance with regulations made by the Minister—matte...
The board is not independent in that respect, I admit.
Not necessarily. The Minister may make regulations, but he does not have to do so.
It is not necessary to have it, so far as the board is concerned.
That may be so, and in that case we had better provide for it.
If it is sufficient, well and good. If the Dáil feels strongly that the legislation providing for this pension fund should set out as one of the conditions under which the fund would be established t...
We are not putting any limitation on the board.
We are committed to the principle of equal payments. I do not think it is unfair to say that a man who starts to contribute to his pension at 40 will contribute more or get less than the man who star...
It is desirable that the Dáil should decide now whether it wants a scheme on that principle or on some other principle.
Nevertheless, it must conform to these principles.
I am quite prepared to do it, provided that the Dáil understands that that will be related to the pensions payments.
Yes.
But it does that in respect of past services.
It gives him a choice.
I think that this pension scheme is quite generous compared with pension schemes operated by other organisations of similar size.
I mean ordinary industrial or commercial firms in Great Britain that have pension schemes for their employees. There is none of comparable size here.
On the last occasion, I spoke of the scheme of the London, Midland and Scottish Railway Company.
The contribution was a like sum in respect of past services. It is the same principle. They can pay over a period of years the appropriate contributions in respect of their past services, and the c...
The Deputy's amendment is open to the objection that the governing body of the board would have no reason to relate the pensions payable to the revenue of the fund at all, because if any deficiency ar...
It is important all right.
Yes, but a number of these together amount to a lot.
It is still true to say that the board's revenue is insufficient to meet all the charges.
I referred to the charges which it was contemplated should be placed to the revenue of the board.
I do not think so. That is an exaggoration. After all, I am the greatest asset of the State.
We are laying down certain principles, to which a scheme introduced by the board must conform. We do not say anything about a limitation on the contributions of participants—whether it is to be 5 per ...
But it is not going to be met.
And I think there are good grounds of public polity for that.
No. The principle of equal contribution is an essential part of the Bill. I could not hold out any hope whatever that that will be departed from. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
It is the same principle.
In an emergency situation, involving the finances of the board to such an extent that solvency could not be maintained, it would have to be met by new legislation, as in the case of the teachers' pens...
We cannot do that. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Gratuities payable on death.
It does.
We do not exclude the payment of gratuities if the scheme provides for it.
In case of death, it is contemplated that there will be a gratuity which may have relation to the number of contributions paid.
I think it is clear that the scheme will provide for contributions payable on death, but I will look into the draft of the measure and make sure of it. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
I could not agree to that at all. The board's contributions and the person's contributions to the fund are different. A person leaving the employment of the board before becoming entitled to superan...
I have said that it is contemplated that the scheme would provide for that.
It is contemplated, that the amount they will get will be greater than the number of contributions paid but, nevertheless, it will have relation to the number of contributions paid. That is a matter ...
I am not drafting the scheme, but presumably it will amount to the contributions paid plus the earnings of those contributions.
By the board. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Amendment No. 17 not moved.
So far as the clerical employee is concerned, when he leaves, he draws out his contributions. When he comes back, he comes back as a new entrant. So far as he is concerned, his account was closed wh...
If he has only two weeks' service, he gets his two weeks' contributions back.
The scheme may provide for that.
The position of the fund in relation to this employee, when he left the service of the board, would be that there was nothing in the fund for him. Whatever was put in the fund by him was taken out.
We shall provide for that. He will be entitled to have his contributions repaid.
Yes.
No.
No. I am assuming that the man leaves voluntarily, with the hope of improving himself. He gets whatever he had paid into the fund and he closes his account. If circumstances compel him to seek empl...
We empower the board to prepare the scheme on that basis.
The obvious interpretation of 7 (f) is that a person leaving the service of the board will be entitled to withdraw his contributions.
I can see that the board in their scheme could set out certain circumstances in which this would not happen.
I cannot see the board preparing a scheme in which a person could not exercise that right at the end of five years.
A manual worker who leaves his job and who leaves his contributions there, will get the credit of them if he comes back. I do not understand at the moment why we have not a similar provision in regar...
I shall look into the point as to whether we cannot make similar provision for clerical workers to that contemplated for manual workers. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
I take it that ill-health covers disability.
In the case of marriage, similar provision to that in the case of death would be preferable—a gratuity. I do not know how it would affect the finances of the fund. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
There has got to be a break in his service.
I do not want to give the idea that I want to conceal in any way the intention of this provision. It is provided that an employee of the Electricity Supply Board who elects to participate in the pens...
Certainly. He can at any time elect to exercise the right to withdraw his labour subject to the provisions of the old Act that Deputy McGilligan referred to, provided he realises what is involved in ...
No.
The courts established under the Industrial Disputes Act have no power to make binding awards. If we are to take the step contemplated, that is, to make it an unprofitable matter for the Electricity ...
That would mean a much more elaborate piece of legislation than is contemplated.
The Deputy says we picked out these workers for this limitation because they were under our control. It is more correct to say that we picked out these workers for the benefit of this legislation be...
I should like to have a much more specific promise of a pension than is given in the 1927 Act.
Do not.
I do not think you can distinguish between the workers of the board.
I do not know what the Deputy means by a lay board.
It will have judicial powers.
The Deputy can, if he likes, bring forward an amendment to provide that the members of the tribunal should be members of the legal profession, but I do not think they would be the most suitable member...
These sub-sections have to stay in. The Government are not going to put themselves into the position that pensions payable under the Bill will still continue to be payable if there is a break in the ...
I leave out the messenger, but as between one class of employees and another in the board's service, we should have equality of treatment.
If he wants to impede the board, he can do so knowing that he risks the forfeiture of his pension rights.
We would cause much more resentment if we tried to distinguish between one class of employee and the other.
What exact force that section of the 1927 Act might have, has never been decided in court.
It has got to have the result of preventing the supply of electricity. If the fireman and the boiler-man went on strike and another employee was able to keep up the supply to the boiler, they may not ...
As regards the essentiality of service, and the fact that deliberate interruption should be made punishable by legal penalties, we are not changing the position taken up in the 1927 Act.
It is possible that a man would go on strike and put himself in the position of sacrificing his right to a pension, without being liable to a criminal prosecution.
It is the Act says his pension rights are sacrificed. The tribunal might possibly have to decide a question of fact but it is the Act that deprives him of the pension rights.
I shall take any tribunal that looks fair on the face of it.
I have certain dubiety about the wisdom of providing for appointment by a judicial personage, unless we had some provision that a list of persons with the necessary qualifications for the job would be...
The tribunal has much more than that to do.
Its main function will be to arbitrate in ordinary industrial disputes.
The only thing I can say is that I am not tied down to the tribunal in Section 9 at all. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Amendments Nos. 21 to 25, inclusive, not moved.
That is provided for— that the contributions paid will remain in the fund. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
I will, certainly. The Deputy is now referring to persons whose services have terminated?
I will look into that problem certainly. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Amendment No. 28 not moved.
This is the same point about people who have already been in the service of the board and who have terminated their employment.
We discussed that before. I cannot agree to modification of that. We must keep this principle intact, I think, having regard to the general considerations I have described already which have governe...
It can never arise again in the service of the Electricity Supply Board, but it can arise in respect of every pension fund established for every industry.
In the case of the Great Southern Railways it would take a large part of the available capital of the company.
I do think we should avoid making the mistake of fixing a precedent now in relation to the Electricity Supply Board scheme, because of the fortunate situation in which the Electricity Supply Board is ...
We are doing all that the industrial companies of England have done. This scheme is as generous as any of theirs.
J.S. Fry and Sons, Limited.
There is also Messrs. Cadbury Brothers.
I said large industrial concerns. The London, Midland and Scottish is one public utility.
Not, as prosperous as some of the others, but more prosperous than the Electricity Supply Board.
It is at least as prosperous as the Electricity Supply Board.
I know that we can undoubtedly say: “Here is an undertaking which has a monopoly. It can charge anything it likes for electricity and pay any pensions it likes. We know that it will not go burst bec...
Everybody who wants to start contributory pension schemes must deal with this problem of the person who has been in for a number of years and who is now 45 or 50 years of age. That is the whole probl...
How otherwise will we make up the fund? We have to put the fund in the position that it would be in if the pension scheme had been in existence from the time the employees started their service.
No.
If we liked we could undoubtedly give away the whole revenue of the State.
We could give away all the revenue of the Electricity Supply Board to somebody, if we liked.
I thought this was a sovereign Assembly. I believe we could even do that.
Once we have decided upon the principle of a statutory fund at all, these regulations must be made by the Minister concerned, and not by the board, and I do not think it is unreasonable, in the circum...
No. That is not the question.
No. There is no question of their competence. These will be regulations binding on the governing body of the superannuation fund.
They could.
We have decided on the principle of a statutory fund—that is, the superannuation fund to be set up under this statute—and, that being so, there devolves upon the State the obligation of ensuring that...
We are in the position of being the shareholders of this company and, as shareholders, we propose to make regulations which will be binding upon the executive body that is to be established for this p...
Well, we act in loco parentis.
I move amendment No. 32:— In sub-section (1), page 7, line 30, before paragraph (d) to insert a new paragraph as follows:—
The Deputy could not make that part of this amendment.
The Bill provides for three months' notice, and the amendment provides for modification.
This will take a few creaks out of it. Amendment agreed to.
I think it rightly comes in here. If it were in some other place I might agree that the Minister for Finance comes in far too often, but it seems justifiable here.
To fix the rate of interest.
Yes.
The exercise of control in a matter of this kind is necessary.
There is a great case for giving the Minister for Finance powers to control rates of interest in far wider fields than that.
The Minister for Finance is responsible for finding capital for development purposes and fixing the rate of interest. The board is being given the alternative of getting the capital by loan from the ...
Those circumstances are least likely to occur. It must not be supposed that the governing body of the fund and the board are two entirely separate and antagonistic bodies. The governing body of the f...
That is questionable.
If the fund lends at a lower rate of interest, the finances of the scheme are upset.
I think there is a point there. Whether the board must get the consent of the Minister before or after is not quite clear.
The corrective is that the Minister for Finance will have to consent to the rate of interest.
The rates of contribution will be increased or the rates of benefit decreased, if the fund becomes insolvent.
That will have to be in the scheme for the fund itself.
Not in the Bill, but that presumably will be in the scheme.
The alternative is to prescribe the rate of interest.
It is done in numerous pensions schemes, even in the case of the Great Southern Railways, where it was contemplated that the fund might lend to the board. It is not obligatory on the trustees to lend...
The trustees would be neglecting their duty if they lent to the board at a lower rate than that obtainable elsewhere.
The primary obligation is on the trustees and the board if any such action is contemplated, but the Minister for Finance is entitled to sanction or refuse to sanction the transaction. There is a lot ...
Because the Minister for Finance is responsible for all the capital finances of the board and for the loans put on the market.
I move amendment No. 34:— In sub-section (3), paragraph (b), page 7, lines 56 and 57, to delete the words “three months' notice given in writing” and to substitute the words “such notice”, and in line...
Perhaps we might leave consideration of Section 9 for the Report Stage until we see the line the amendments take.
I gather that the Labour Party may have some proposals to make. I understood from the Trade Union Congress that they have some proposals. I told them that as far as the composition of the tribunal g...
I wish to say that the representatives of the Trade Union Congress expressed certain objection to the form of the section as it stands, the objection to a manual worker being required to sign, on ente...
Certainly.
It is the same thing in another way. Question put and agreed to. SECTION 13.
I move amendmunt No. 39:— Before Section 13, page 10, to insert a new section aa follows:— (1) In this section— the expression “excluded person” means a person employed by the board who was transferr...
No.
They are not here, but they will be dealt with in another Bill which I will bring in to deal with number of minor matters.
Exactly. Amendment agreed to. Section 13, as amended, agreed to. SECTION 14.
It is the same thing as saying that the board should pay more than an equal contribution.
I take it that the Deputy does not mean this to be in lieu of Section 14.
I was not sure what was meant.
Merely adding years does not get anywhere unless there are contributions to the fund in respect of added years.
I would be glad if the Deputy would leave this amendment over. I am somewhat confused about the interpretation of the Deputy's meaning in view of the fact that it appears to be a substitute for Secti...
Will the Deputy agree to let it stand over?
Written Answers. - Consumption of Fuel.
It would be impossible to state the quantities of turf and timber which will be used in any place or area, as the consumption will be determined by many factors at present unknown. It is not in the pu...
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