Hughes, James

Wednesday, 12 February 1947

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 104 No. 6

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Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Cattle Exports to Continent.

asked the Minister for Agriculture if he will state: (a) whether any of the continental countries now purchasing cattle here, have indicated their intention of making imports of Irish cattle a permane...More Button

Is the Minister satisfied to let the matter stand in that position?More Button

Yes. May I get the necessary opportunity, a Chinn Chomhairle, to discuss this matter later?More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Supplies of Potash.

asked the Minister for Agriculture if, in view of the widespread deficiency in potash and the success that has attended the efforts of Comhlucht Siúicre Éireann, Teoranta, in securing supplies for th...More Button

If the quantities that are anticipated arrive, will they be available as a single manure?More Button

The Minister does not intend to put any more in the compound?More Button

Would the Minister say whether the efforts of his Department or the efforts of Comhlucht Siúicre Éireann enabled the purchase of this particular quantity?More Button

I am merely looking for information.More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Wheat Purchases by Irish Grain, Limited.

If there are certain firms going to pay a higher price and give a better margin, will the Minister take steps to ensure that every firm that is granted a licence to purchase wheat will pay the same a...More Button

Order of Business.

Regarding time for my question, am I to understand that time will be given at the Minister's convenience after Government time?More Button

Committee on Finance. - Agricultural Credit Bill, 1946—Committee.

I move amendment No. 2:— In sub-section (1), paragraph (d), line 11, before the word “of” to insert the words “or marketing”. The word “marketing” is omitted, possibly inadvertently, because marketing...More Button

Does the Parliamentary Secretary mean that it is covered in the section?More Button

Where?More Button

And selling it as well as taking it.More Button

It is a rather obsolete interpretation. You might not have to take it any place. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Sections 3 to 9, inclusive, agreed to.More Button

I move amendment No. 3:— In sub-section (1), line 52, to delete all words from the word “as” to the end of the sub-section. I cannot understand why it is considered necessary to have more than one per...More Button

If removed from office, there would be no one there.More Button

Yes. But if you had no one there, because of the death of an individual, you would still have power under the section to appoint a man to act.More Button

Why would you want two?More Button

If one share qualifies for directorship, why do you refer to “new shares” throughout the section. For instance in sub-section (3):— “every member (other than the Minister) of the; corporation or the p...More Button

You provide for one share to qualify a man to act as a director and then you go on to say that he must surrender it and you refer to it as “shares”. We ought to be correct in our language. The Parli...More Button

I move amendment No. 5:— In sub-section (1) (a), line 42, to delete the word “uncontrolled”. I do not think that word is necessary; “The Minister in his discretion” should be sufficient.More Button

I move amendment No. 6:— In sub-section (1) (b), line 50, to delete the word “less” and substitute the word “more”. It is a question of the rate. I do not know whether the Parliamentary Secretary wil...More Button

If you put it that way, I am satisfied. I will take the Parliamentary Secretary at his word, if he puts in “neither more nor less”.More Button

If the Parliamentary Secretary tells us the intention is to have it neither more nor less, I am satisfied.More Button

If we have the good intention of providing money for a very important purpose, I do not think we ought to be afraid to put into the measure that the rate, for agricultural purposes is to be the same a...More Button

The authorities who will have to collect for local loans purposes will be in a good position to do so, whereas the small farmer may find it exceedingly difficult to pay a high rate of interest. He ou...More Button

I suggest you should legalise your intention.More Button

I move amendment No. 8:— To delete sub-section (2).More Button

Two wrongs never made a right. I do not think it was proper to put that provision into the 1927 Act and merely to defend its insertion in this measure by saying it was in the 1927 Act does not convin...More Button

Then why put in Section 3 at all? Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.More Button

I think this amendment is necessary. Power should rest with the corporation to make the decision.More Button

I move amendment No. 11:— In sub-section (1), page 15, to delete the word “birds” where it occurs in lines 27 and 28 and substitute the word “poultry”. I merely put down this amendment to ascertain wh...More Button

Are we going to put a chattel mortgage on wild birds?More Button

If you mortgage pheasants, when the mortgage falls due, are you going out to shoot the birds? I think we should be realistic. If this chattel mortgage is going to operate at all—and I am rather doubt...More Button

They are poultry.More Button

Yes.More Button

If the Deputy travels down the country he will find that there are not many guinea hens in the country. The price has flopped and the people regret having any guinea hens.More Button

They did, but I think it is absurd to insert the word “birds” in its widest sense.More Button

The amendment is not important, so I ask leave to withdraw it. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Sections 21 to 23, inclusive, agreed to. SECTION 24.More Button

I move amendment No. 12:— In sub-section (6) to delete paragraphs (a), (b), (c), (d) and (e) and substitute therefor the following:—More Button

Do you not propose to repeal them?More Button

I have not any objection to the county registrar at all. My amendment merely covers recognised banks or the corporation. I have not gone so far as to include the whole lot, because I feel that it ma...More Button

Apart altogether from the purpose for which the inspection is made by an individual on behalf of an authorised banks or the corporation, there is no attempt made in the section as it stands to bind th...More Button

Not in this measure.More Button

Where?More Button

The Parliamentary Secretary will agree with me that that is merely a pious hope.More Button

I feel very strongly on this matter. The mere insertion of a provision for additional safeguards as regards secrecy will not meet my case. I want, instead of this provision for inspection, machinery ...More Button

The Parliamentary Secretary is completely missing our point. We are not objecting to providing information about a particular borrower, but to the finding out of information about everybody on the reg...More Button

That is not correct.More Button

I am not interested in putting in a further pious provision so far as secrecy is concerned because it is not worth very much. If the Parliamentary Secretary will approach the matter from the point of...More Button

I move amendment No. 14:— At the end of the section to add a new sub-section as follows:—More Button

Section 26 affords protection to the extent that the property will not be seized but it does not state that the purchaser will not be liable in any way. That is the reason I put in the amendment. I ...More Button

I move amendment No. 15:— In sub-sections (1) and (2) to delete all words from the word “which” in line 31 to the end of sub-section (2) and substitute therefore the following words:— “requiring the s...More Button

I appreciate the difficulties, but difficulties are no excuse for infringing on an important principle. A private individual is being allowed to order an officer of the court to distrain on stock with...More Button

The Parliamentary Secretary ought to read my amendment before he pursues that line of argument further. I think he is in sympathy with me, and he ought to have the courage to go the full distance.More Button

Merely to ensure that this will work, we are to trample underfoot a fundamental principle. That argument does not appeal to me —that, because extra costs are involved, we should give private individua...More Button

I move amendment No. 16:— In sub-section (1) (ii), line 47, before the word “and” to insert the words “by public auction”. Surely provision should be made as to how they are to be sold. I presume the...More Button

I move amendment No. 17:— In sub-section (1) (d), line 14, before the word “to” to insert the following words “and does not replace with new stock”. I think the section overlooks the fact that in the ...More Button

I do not know of any specific cases. But, supposing stock is mortgaged and 12 months later they are much more valuable and in the ordinary course of farming must be sold and are replaced to the same ...More Button

The Parliamentary Secretary is overlooking the implication of the paragraph, that you are empowering the mortgagee to step in at a certain stage and make a new condition so far as the loan is concerne...More Button

How many cases came under it?More Button

I see the Parliamentary Secretary's difficulty. He is most anxious to meet us, but he is being pulled by the Agricultural Credit Corporation.More Button

I move amendment No. 18:— In sub-section (2) (b) to delete in lines 19 and 20 the words “to a person over the age of 16 years” and add at the end of the paragraph the following words “to a member of h...More Button

On the section, I should like to refer to the registering of a mortgage after seven days' notice. I do not know how that time can be fixed if the postal service is slow. To relate a specific time li...More Button

The Parliamentary Secretary is inclined to assume that the existing law is always right. I never assume that.More Button

Two wrongs never made a right.More Button

We are getting an opportunity of putting the matter right. I am merely calling the Parliamentary Secretary's attention to a difficulty and I ask him to look into the matter.More Button

It is short.More Button

Seven days appear to be short. If there is a mortgage there, or a charge of any sort, the person who is notified has to act. Supposing the post is delayed and the time runs out, he is excluded by la...More Button

I am talking of abnormal times. An individual may suffer hardships because a letter is delayed in the post. I suggest the time might be extended.More Button

I should like to know what the caution referred to in sub-section (2) means. It is a caution under the Act of 1891.More Button

I am afraid it is not.More Button

I think I know what it is. Question put and agreed to. Sections 43 to 52, inclusive, agreed to. SECTION 53. Question proposed: “That Section 53 stand part of the Bill.”More Button

On this section, I think the corporation should not be exempted in any way from proving a deed. There should be no discrimination as between the corporation and any other individual in the State as t...More Button

I agree with everything that Deputy Dillon has said on this section. The only apology that I have to make for representing the matter in such a mild manner is that I have not read the section for a f...More Button

On the question of saving money, would not the corporation have to produce their contract with the borrower? What cost would be involved in producing that? There is no use in talking about cost.More Button

On the question of cost, you have no defence.More Button

What cost would be involved in producing in court the contract between the lender and the borrower?More Button

We are opposing the section.More Button

The Deputy must not forget that the Minister is taking power to appoint five new men.More Button


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