Order of Business.

Thursday, 2 December 1948

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 113 No. 7

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Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  On a question of order, is it in order for a Deputy of this House to describe a letter from a lady defending her father's honour, a man who died, who was murdered in the service of this State, as political propaganda?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  I am not the judge of that.

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  It was stated here to-day by a Deputy, and I want to know if it is in order so to describe the letter of a lady defending her father's honour who died in the defence of the State?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  I cannot pronounce on that.

Mr. MacEntee: Information on Seán MacEntee  Zoom on Seán MacEntee  On a point of order. It has been the custom in this House to deprecate, and, in fact, for the Chair to prevent, reference to persons outside this House who are unable to defend themselves. When that applies to civil servants and judges, should it not apply also to private persons?

Minister for External Affairs (Mr. MacBride): Information on Seán MacBride  Zoom on Seán MacBride  Who brought in the reference?

Mr. MacEntee: Information on Seán MacEntee  Zoom on Seán MacEntee  A Deputy has alleged that a person whose father was killed in the execution of his duty has written a letter, referring to that incident, and was using it for purposes of political propaganda. That is a reflection upon a citizen who has suffered because of [903] her father's devotion to duty. Does the Chair now say that that remark was in order?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  The Chair has not said that it was in order.

Mr. MacEntee: Information on Seán MacEntee  Zoom on Seán MacEntee  I am asking the Chair to rule on it.

Mr. C. Lehane: Information on Con Lehane  Zoom on Con Lehane  On a point of order. The first reference to the lady was made by Deputy Aiken.

Dr. Maguire: Information on Patrick J. Maguire  Zoom on Patrick J. Maguire  But not in a derogatory manner.

Mr. MacEntee: Information on Seán MacEntee  Zoom on Seán MacEntee  I am asking the Chair to rule.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  It is the duty of the Chair to defend outsiders here as much as possible. It should not have been made.

Mr. Morrissey: Information on Daniel Morrissey  Zoom on Daniel Morrissey  Nobody makes more derogatory references to private persons than Deputy MacEntee.

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  Is it to be withdrawn?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  It should not have been made.

Captain Cowan: Information on Peadar Cowan  Zoom on Peadar Cowan  Before a matter like this is raised, the Deputy who put down the question should be here.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  It does not arise, but I think that the Deputy should withdraw his remarks about the young lady who wrote the letter.

Captain Cowan: Information on Peadar Cowan  Zoom on Peadar Cowan  What exactly——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  If the Deputy does not want to withdraw his remark he need not, but I think he should.

Captain Cowan: Information on Peadar Cowan  Zoom on Peadar Cowan  Will the Ceann Comhairle say what remark I made?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  That is was political propaganda for the lady to write that letter.

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  Defending her father's honour.

Captain Cowan: Information on Peadar Cowan  Zoom on Peadar Cowan  If I do not withdraw, what is the position?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  I leave the House to judge. I have no more to say on it now.

[904]General MacEoin: Information on General Seán MacEoin  Zoom on General Seán MacEoin  May I, as the Minister to whom the question was originally addressed, say that the question was put down in such a way that a letter was written in reference to that? This letter was written. There was no question of defending her father's honour because the father's honour was not impugned and could not be impugned. The honour of any person who dies in the service of this State could never be impugned. When Deputy MacEntee tries to put over on the Parliament here that the honour of any soldier or police officer who died in the service of this State was impugned he is doing a very great disservice.

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  Is a Minister of the Government entitled to attend the funeral of his murderers?

Mr. C. Lehane: Information on Con Lehane  Zoom on Con Lehane  You will withdraw that remark about murderers yet.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Frank Fahy  Zoom on Frank Fahy  I will not hear any more of this unruly debate. Deputy Lehane must try to control himself. He has been interrupting repeatedly.

Mr. Aiken: Information on Frank Aiken  Zoom on Frank Aiken  He always controls himself when there is any fighting to be done.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Aloysius Costello  Zoom on John Aloysius Costello  Business on the Order Paper will be taken in the following order:—Nos. 1, 7, 5, 6, 8, 3, 2.

Mr. A.P. Byrne: Information on Alfred P. Byrne  Zoom on Alfred P. Byrne  Are we sitting to-morrow?

Parliamentary Secretary to the Taoiseach (Mr. Cosgrave): Information on Liam Cosgrave  Zoom on Liam Cosgrave  If the business ordered for to-day is concluded the Dáil will not sit to-morrow.

Mr. Allen: Information on Denis Allen  Zoom on Denis Allen  May I ask the Taoiseach what is the proposal about sitting next week?

The Taoiseach: Information on John Aloysius Costello  Zoom on John Aloysius Costello  That matter ought to be the subject of discussion between the Whips and the Whips can have a discussion about what business must be concluded before Christmas.


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