Ryan, Richie

Wednesday, 18 December 1974

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 276 No. 13

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Vote 41: Industry and Commerce (Resumed).

Never a day passes but that the members of the Fianna Fáil Party do not thank their lucky stars they are not in Government now. When things were much easier than they are now——More Button

The Minister is intervening in the debate.More Button

If Deputy Lalor does not know what the Order of Business for the day is, he can hardly expect me to guide him now. Is Deputy Lalor taking exception to the fact that the Minister for Finance is speaki...More Button

Now that I have the permission of the Opposition to contribute to the debate, perhaps I could continue on uninterrupted. I was emphasising that Deputy Lalor and his colleagues thank their lucky stars...More Button

The Fianna Fáil policy was to apply monetary and fiscal controls. Monetary controls, to use Deputy Brennan's words, mean the control of credit, a credit squeeze. Fiscal measures mean increased taxati...More Button

——some of the statements he made during the course of his contribution. First of all, Deputy Brennan quoted some remarks which he attributed to the chairman of the Irish petroleum exploration group. ...More Button

A great deal of the resources of this country, including those in Navan, including those which have been explored by Tara, are within the ownership of the Irish people. The Irish people own them and ...More Button

——to what is obtained by every other sovereign country in the world. I shall deal with Bula. The situation in relation to Bula was this. As a result of the mishandling of the situation by our prede...More Button

The new order is something which to say the least of it was charged with a multitude of risks.More Button

No, no.More Button

First of all, we assume that the Fianna Fáil Government of the day received legal advice and consulted their own legal draftsmen in the preparation of the order affecting the land on which the Bula in...More Button

The Fianna Fáil suggestion is that we ought to have embarked on another period of uncertainty for several years for the making of a new order.More Button

Regarding the delay that has occured since, I would point out that it was not this Government that brought the activities of the Tara Mines to a closure. Neither was it this Government that institute...More Button

Of course, royalties could be fixed.More Button

They will be fixed in the lease.More Button

A system in which profits can be ploughed back through a right to a share of profits by way of taxation or otherwise is far more preferable to royalties. It is interesting to note that while Deputy B...More Button

The suggestion was made of a fall-off in exploration activity. Again, this suggestion is without foundation. Clear evidence of this is that those companies having exploration licences are falling ove...More Button

Our mining policy has been spelled out on numerous occasions. If Deputies opposite would take the trouble to read rather than to rush into comment they would know exactly what the Government have in ...More Button

There is nothing to hold up mining so far as the Government are concerned. Those who have the mines under their control are free to reopen them tomorrow if they so wish——More Button

——and if they are prepared to accept from the Irish Government the same conditions as would apply in other parts of the world but they need not think that this Government will yield to them in the sam...More Button

They have a package that is equivalent to that which is available in any other part of the world.More Button

I come now to the question of off-shore minerals. When we assumed power, we found two very serious omissions in the energy field. One was that there was not as much as a thought on record in any Gove...More Button

We are quite satisfied that these provisions, like the mining ones, will be acceptable generally and that they will ensure that the major part of their returns from the development of these resources...More Button

——the tax applicable to Irish companies is that which we inherited from our predecessors with some alleviation which we have since given. The Confederation of Irish Industry, on getting a return from...More Button

I do not regard as a jibe what Deputy Brennan has said because we are subject to world economic weather conditions—in Europe and far beyond it. Perhaps that is something that is only now beginning to...More Button

We have never pretended that economic forces abroad did not have their impact on this country but what we assert and what nobody can contradict is that the economic forces in the world which are now a...More Button

I accept entirely what the Deputy has said. I did not mean it to be taken that way.More Button

Vote 41: Industry and Commerce.

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £10 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31...More Button

Vote 1: President's Establishment.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £32,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of ...More Button

Vote 2: Houses of the Oireachtas.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £1,142,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day ...More Button

Vote 4: Central Statistics Office.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £818,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of...More Button

Vote 5: Comptroller and Auditor General.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £128,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of...More Button

Vote 6: Office of the Minister for Finance.

I move:More Button

It will probably be in the first week of 1975.More Button

They will be circulated during the recess.More Button

As I have said, it will be in the first week of 1975, before the budget.More Button

As there is only a fortnight I should not like to be tied——More Button

I would not wish that either. Vote put and agreed to.More Button

Vote 8 : Office of the Revenue Commissioners.

I move :More Button

Vote 10 : State Laboratory.

I move : That a sum not exceeding £115,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day o...More Button

Vote 12 : An Chomhairle Ealaíon.

I move : That a sum not exceeding £113,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day o...More Button

Certainly it is the intention but, as the Deputy will appreciate, the co-operation of An Chomhairle and a number of other agencies has to be worked out. I am endeavouring actively to promote this but...More Button

It is very difficult because the Deputy will appreciate that I cannot anticipate the date on which other people may acquiesce in what I am endeavouring to achieve. I think that any misgivings or worri...More Button

Vote 14: Secret Service.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £14,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of ...More Button

No. As the Deputy will appreciate, this figure is determined by what the Garda and the military authorities consider necessary. There is no Government decision to reduce money on this very vital item...More Button

Vote 15: Agricultural Grants.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £23,000,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day...More Button

I move:More Button

Vote 16: Law Charges.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £508,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of...More Button

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £41,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on th...More Button

Vote 17: Miscellaneous Expenses.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £583,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of...More Button

Yes. The National Theatre Society, £240,000; additional aid to the theatre, £174,000; property values—these are arbitrations and appeals—£5,500; the Centenarians' Bounty £1,500; the Irish Society for...More Button

This is made up of £48,750 for the Gate Theatre with a supplementary sum of £9,000; for the Irish Theatre Company, £74,000; Dublin Theatre Festival, £18,000 and the Irish Ballet Company, £33,250 and a...More Button

This is obviously a matter that does not come up for consideration in relation to these Estimates. I have a very open mind and I will consider everything.More Button

I never try to colour my consideration of any matter. Vote put and agreed to.More Button

I move:More Button

Vote 18: Stationery Office.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £1,887,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day ...More Button

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £10 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31...More Button

Vote 19: Valuation and Ordnance Survey.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £744,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of...More Button

Vote 20: Rates on Government Property.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £1,691,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day ...More Button

Vote 7: Office of the Minister for the Public Service.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £937,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of...More Button

As I explained previously, until such time as this House and the other House would pass legislation bringing about legal separation then the Minister would remain fully accountable. If and when legis...More Button

I can understand the Deputy's fears but I think he will accept that you must creep before you walk and you must walk before you run. We must be on our guard that the situation which Deputy Colley env...More Button

Yes. Vote put and agreed to.More Button

Vote 13: Superannuation and Retired Allowances.

Superannuation allowances, compensation allowances, pensions and certain children's allowances payable to civil servants, payments under the civil service widows' and children's contributory pension s...More Button

I share the Deputy's anxiety that these delays should not occur. Whenever they have been brought to my attention I have endeavoured as, indeed whenever they were brought to his he endeavoured, if he ...More Button

We need a computer Vote put and agreed to.More Button

Vote 35: Lands (Resumed).

It is difficult to talk about this matter because, as I understand it, tenders have been entered by the local authorities concerned and, in those circumstances, it would be invidious were I to make an...More Button

I do not want to make comparisons, but I would say they are not on all-fours. Vote put and agreed to.More Button

Vote 46: Foreign Affairs (Resumed).

I move: That a sum not exceeding £2,354,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day ...More Button

Vote 46: Foreign Affairs.

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £147,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on t...More Button

Vote 47: International Co-operation.

I move:More Button

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £10 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31...More Button

Vote 27: Local Government (Resumed).

I move: That a sum not exceeding £36,970,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day...More Button

Vote 27: Local Government.

I move:More Button

Vote 21: Office of the Minister for Justice.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £705,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on 31st day of Dec...More Button

I do not know. I will communicate with the Deputy. Vote put and agreed to.More Button

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £131,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on t...More Button

Vote 22: Garda Síochána.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £22,820,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day...More Button

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £6,237,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on...More Button

Vote 23: Prisons.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £3,169,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day ...More Button

I cannot specifically say whether any of these specific moneys have been set aside for the purpose to which the Deputy refers, but he may be assured that such money as is necessary to improve security...More Button

I can communicate the details to the Deputy.More Button

I can give the Deputy some information. It does not relate specifically to the question he asked as to whether or not specific recommendations of a report which is not before me are included in thes...More Button

I am answering on behalf of the Minister for Justice.More Button

I move:More Button

Vote 24: Courts.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £1,120,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day ...More Button

I have not got the specific information with me. I can make inquiries and communicate with the Deputy. I am sure the House recalls that the practice has been on an occasion such as this not to seek ...More Button

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £78,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on th...More Button

Vote 25: Land Registry and Registry of Deeds.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £618,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of...More Button

Vote 26: Charitable Donations and Bequests.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £20,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31st day of ...More Button

Vote 33: Higher Education.

If the Opposition were genuine about it they would have sought more than an hour. They agreed to pass through these Estimates in an hour. There is no difficulty at all in furnishing all the informat...More Button

Vote 39: Fisheries.

It is not.More Button

In reply to Deputy O'Malley, and the misinformation conveyed by Deputy Andrews, the position is that we are dealing this year with ten supplementary Estimates that have been debated, or partly debate...More Button

I can give the Deputy comparative figures. In this year, taking main and supplementary Estimates, 34 per cent debated, 21 per cent partly debated and 45 per cent not debated.More Button

There are fewer than when the Deputy's party were in power. Vote put and agreed to.More Button

Vote 40: Labour.

I move:More Button

I am sure the Deputy will, yes.More Button

That all depends on the Opposition. They dictate and determine what the House does as much as anybody else.More Button

That is a matter for discussion between the Whips. Vote put and agreed to.More Button

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £50,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on th...More Button

Vote 43: Posts and Telegraphs.

I move:More Button

I cannot say. Those details are not furnished in the ordinary Estimates Book but I can have inquiries made and communicate with the Deputy.More Button

I will certainly.More Button

No.More Button

I am satisfied there is not.More Button

Expenses are normally paid in the first instance by the Department involved and recovered later from the Miscellaneous Expenses Vote. But there is no expense in relation to the Government Information...More Button

Not public funds.More Button

Vote 48: Social Welfare.

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £9,000,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on...More Button

The Deputy will appreciate that I cannot anticipate what the budget may or may not contain. But there is already a statement in the Government's White Paper called “National Partnership”.More Button

Vote 49: Health (resumed).

I move: That a supplementary sum not exceeding £10 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the period commencing on the 1st day of April, 1974, and ending on the 31...More Button

Vote 24 (Excess Vote): Land Registry and Registry of Deeds.

I move: That a sum not exceeding £7,664 be granted to make good an Excess on the Grant for Land Registry and Registry of Deeds for the year ended on the 31st day of March, 1972. Vote put and agreed to...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - State Pensions Parity.

As I indicated in reply to parliamentary questions on 31st October, 1974 and on 5th December, 1974, no change is at present contemplated in the arrangement whereby public service pensions are revised ...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Tax Free Allowances.

I am sure the Deputy will appreciate that I cannot indicate in advance what proposals the forthcoming budget may or may not contain.More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Department of Defence Employee.

The taxpayer's liability amounts to £437.25 and if collection were to be completed by the 5th April, 1975, weekly deductions of £17.50 would be required. As the sum in question represents two years' ...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Farmers' Tax Liability.

In my speech on Second Reading of the Finance Bill, 1974, I said that while tax liability would normally be based on actual profits, the alternative of a notional basis of assessment would be given fo...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Housing Sub-contractors.

In order to obtain a certificate under section 17 of the Finance Act, 1970, a sub-contractor must, among other things, undertake to supply the inspector of taxes with accounts of his business. The Re...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Disabled Persons Transport.

At present repayment of customs and excise duty at the rate of 20 pence per gallon, subject to a maximum of 350 gallons per person per year, is made in respect of petrol used in road motor vehicles co...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Land Bonds.

The rate of interest of 12½ per cent on the current issue of land bonds was the appropriate rate at the time the bonds were originally created but owing to the increase in interest rates generally the...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - County Cork School.

A specification for the works required has been issued to the manager by the Commissioners of Public Works with instructions to invite tenders. The proportion of the cost which will be payable by way ...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Drainage Workers.

Maintenance work on drainage schemes is carried out on a seasonal basis. The duration of the working season may vary from scheme to scheme and from one season to another. On some schemes, in accorda...More Button

Ceisteanna — Questions. Written Answers. - Muckross Abbey Graveyard.

As I have stated in replies to previous questions on this subject it is neither practicable nor aesthetically desirable to extend the Muckross Abbey graveyard.More Button


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