Gibbons, James M.

Tuesday, 7 November 1978

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 309 No. 2

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Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Cattle Disease Eradication.

With the permission of the Ceann Comhairle, I propose to take Questions Nos. 8, 9, 10 and 11 together. I am very much aware of the vital im-portance of speeding up progress in the eradication of bovin...More Button

He cannot test for a further 30 days.More Button

I do realise the implications. It is a difficulty that sellers will have to face up to because there is no answer to the question of whether one can move diseased cattle and sell them to one's neighbo...More Button

The rate of charges indicated by the Veterinary Union does seem to militate against people selling small lots of cattle. It does not exclude either private arrangements that may be made between the v...More Button

The charge made by veterinary surgeons has been for a long time in the region of £4 per visit. If the same herd owner of a single beast or two beasts had to send for the veterinary surgeon for some o...More Button

I do not know if it is relevant. I indicated in very good time that it was coming and the date on which it came into operation was 19 October.More Button

I will deal with that question and Deputy Bruton's question together. The question of a re-test after the first test is purely a veterinary matter. My advice is that there must be an adequate waiting...More Button

On the question of the possible redundancy of marts, there is absolutely no substance in this suggestion. On the day of the introduction of the test it is true that the number of cattle shown in live...More Button

I was not imputing ulterior motives.More Button

I should be grateful to Deputy Blaney if he would let me have any relevant information which would lead to the apprehension of people involved in the criminal activity of frustrating the disease eradi...More Button

I do not have the figures but I am quite certain——More Button

——that the rise in reactor herds during that period was absolutely appallingly high——More Button

——and for Deputy Clinton, or anybody else, to seek to minimise the appalling cost of the cessation of testing is, to say the least of it, unbecoming—especially unbecoming on the part of Deputy Clinton...More Button

When the question of the dispute between the Department of Agriculture, the Coalition Government and the veterinary unions arose Deputy Clinton did not have to contend with a hostile Fianna Fáil Party...More Button

I have just been accused by the Deputy's colleague of being political.More Button

I have been saying for the last half hour that it would not.More Button

No, I would not because if you delay the scheme you prolong it and, if you prolong the scheme, you remove from herd owners of all sizes the prospect of selling from cleared herds at better prices. Th...More Button

Deputy Donnellan should take the trouble to come in in time for questions and then he would hear the replies given. To stroll in late and start asking supplementaries which had already been asked and...More Button

I am not so aware. A number of advertisements and press releases have been issued on the subject by my Department. Circular letters were sent to all veterinary practitioners and to marts. Posters w...More Button

If I may, on the supplementary speech made by Deputy Donnellan, say that there has been an enormous amount of publicity given, especially on television, to this very subject and I would like to know w...More Button

The cost of the pre-movement tests is a matter for settlement between the farmer and his veterinary practitioner. The normal interval between the commencement of tests and the availability of the res...More Button

There was an understanding that the Community would help us to meet the cost of the eradication scheme. That understanding has been there for quite a long time.More Button

I do not know that the matter was made a secret.More Button

As the Deputy may have noticed, payment will not be made until next year and, since the period is so long, to begin to talk about it literally years in advance would be, in my opinion, unnecessary.More Button

It is inside the next few days.More Button

I do not deny this is an inconvenience to herd owners and I said so in reply to an earlier question. There is no getting away from the fact it is an inconvenience to herd owners but there will be oth...More Button

That question has been asked and answered on many occasions.More Button

Yes.More Button

With your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, I propose to take Questions Nos. 14 and 15 together. The facilities at my Department's laboratory at Thorndale in Dublin are designed to cater efficiently for...More Button

I should be grateful if the Deputy would let me have particulars of any undue delay that has taken place because I am assured by the Department, and I believe, that there is no undue delay. The sett...More Button

I am not aware that the Central Laboratory in Thorndale closes down at any time.More Button

I will.More Button

If the Deputy puts down another question I shall be glad to reply to it.More Button

The answer is yes.More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Milk Consumption.

The reason is that the powers available to me under the Diseases of Animals Act, 1966 extend only to the control of disease in animals. Human health regulations are the responsibility of the Minister ...More Button

I am very well aware that both bovine TB and brucellosis are transmittable to humans. I am quite certain the Minister for Health is also aware of this. I recall asking the Minister's predecessor abo...More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Cattle Disease Eradication.

The check tests referred to by the Deputy will be made by veterinary practitioners, veterinary inspectors of my Department and lay blood samplers. As occurred last winter they will take place between...More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Cattle Identity Cards.

I have this under consideration at present and expect to make an announcement in the matter very shortly.More Button

I do not think there has been unreasonable delay. I accept the import of the Deputy's question and, in my opinion, valid dated blue cards are a necessary adjunct to the disease eradication programme.More Button

As soon as possible.More Button

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Cattle Disease Eradication.

The answer is yes. In the case of brucellosis a full herd test would be carried out without delay. At least one further 60-day herd test would be required before restriction of the herd could be lif...More Button

Yes, in all cases of disease eradication there is not only the possibility but the likelihood of hardship and I see no point in concealing that or other disagreeable facts involved in a disease eradic...More Button

The answer to the first part of the question is no. Accordingly, the second part of the question does not arise.More Button

I do not remember the particular incident but we believe in this country in the 30-day pre-movement test, whatever Mr. Humblett says.More Button

There was no effort on my part to conceal the many decisions made by the Council of Ministers. It is not the practice to return from every Council meeting in Brussels and publish a full account for p...More Button

Obviously if I was attending the Council, as I almost certainly was since I am an assiduous attender of the Council——More Button

——I confess that I do not recall all the business that was done at every Council meeting since I became Minister for Agriculture again.More Button

I fear the Deputy is playing the junior barrister now and I must tell him that he is not very good at it.More Button

Obviously if it was a decision of the Council, then I, as the Irish Minister, agreed to it. I am in favour of a 30-day pre-movement test for Irish herds. I think disease eradication cannot succeed u...More Button

I would say that I performed that duty more carefully than any of my predecessors in that I have been warning since our accession to office that we were going to take on the business of disease eradic...More Button

That is the unavoidable truth.More Button

That question is verging on the idiotic and has no relation at all to the question on the Order Paper. I believe it arises from Deputy Bruton's desire to display his skill as a barrister. I suggest ...More Button

Have the Deputies finished?More Button

I did not evade them. The Deputy was very silent for the last four years and now he is beginning to spread muck again. The Deputy is good for nothing else except muck spreading. (Interruptions.)More Button

It has no relation to the question on the Order Paper. If the Deputy wants an answer to that question—I cannot imagine why he should—I will be glad to give it to him if he puts down a question.More Button

I am unable to give the date on which I first announced our intention to introduce the 30-day test. The question is idiotic but if an answer is required to it I will provide it. That is not the ques...More Button

Those are all clever undergraduate debating points and they display the utter cynicism of the Fine Gael Party, as they displayed in Government, to the serious business of disease eradication. If I ca...More Button

The answer is no. Under the EEC Commission Decision addressed to the State on 19 July 1978 the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to implement our plans for the accelerated erad...More Button

If Deputy Bruton is arguing for a postponement of the disease eradication programme I am telling him that there will be no postponement. His suggestion that there was some connection with the announc...More Button

The statement referred to and the similar one included in the previous Bovine Tuberculosis Order are in accordance with section 19 of the Diseases of Animals Act, 1966. It is based on the statistical...More Button

I cannot quite follow the Deputy's reasoning. I do not know what point he is trying to establish.More Button

I do not know what the Deputy is talking about.More Button

I believe the country was declared attested in 1966. Since then there have been changes in the method of applying bovine tuberculosis testing. The statement at that time may have been true enough in...More Button

What statement did I make?More Button

I am afraid I have not got the document with me.More Button

I have not got the document with me.More Button

The declaration is at present required to be completed in all cases where a TB herd test is carried out by a veterinary inspector of my Department. It is my intention to have the declaration completed...More Button

The herd owner has a serious legal responsibility to present all his cattle for testing and he will be in breach of the law if he does not do that. The test will not have been properly carried out unl...More Button

Yes. It will be necessary for a herd owner to certify that all cattle have been presented for testing.More Button

Written Answers. - State Board Appointments

Following is the information requested:More Button

Written Answers. - Land Acquisition and Division.

The information requested is contained in a tabular statement which, with the permission of the Ceann Comhairle, I propose to circulate with the Official Report. Land Commission records are not compi...More Button

The Land Commission have no proposals for the acquisition of the property referred to.More Button

Written Answers. - Educational Farm Centres.

Proposals relating to agricultural education centres are included in the programme of additional structural measures for the development of agriculture in the West of Ireland which I have submitted to...More Button

Written Answers. - European Monetary System.

I would refer the Deputies to my statement in the House on 19 October in which I dealt at some length with the implications of EMS for the common agricultural policy in general and Irish agriculture i...More Button

Written Answers. - Land Acquisition and Division.

The information requested is set out in the following table. It is hoped that the cases marked with an asterisk will be wholly or partly allotted within the coming year. County Roscommon Particulars ...More Button

The information requested is set out in the following tables. It is expected that the cases indicated with an asterisk will be wholly or partly allotted within the next six months. County Laois Part...More Button

Written Answers. - Cattle Disease Eradication.

Ideally all farmers should keep records of births, deaths, acquisition and disposals of cattle. For the time being, I propose to use the powers conferred on me by the order in cases where I am satis...More Button

The diamond shaped ear-punch has been used down through the years to identify both TB and brucellosis reactors. The system has worked well and I see no good reason for using different shapes of punch ...More Button

My Department's officers, who are responsible for the operation of all aspects of the disease eradication schemes at local level, are quite clear as to what constitutes effective isolation of an incon...More Button

Following is the information sought:More Button

The time limit will be fixed in each individual case, with due regard to the veterinary aspects of the herdowner's situation. A herdowner who feels aggrieved at the application of this provision is f...More Button


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