Browne, SeánThursday, 11 December 1980 |
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The Minister must conclude now.
The Deputy should conclude.
The Deputy is over his time.
The next speaker, please.
The concluding speaker for Labour will be called at 12.15 p.m. and the concluding speaker for Fine Gael will be called at 12.35 p.m. The Deputy has ten minutes.
The Minister has one minute to conclude.
The Minister's time has now expired.
The three final speakers have 25 minutes each.
The Deputy should make his own speech.
The Deputy cannot make another speech.
Supplementary Estimates, 1980. - Vote 36: Fisheries (Resumed).
Yesterday the Chair informed Deputy Begley that to discuss a matter of this kind on this Supplementary Estimate is totally against the rules of the House but he continues to flaunt and to flout the ru...
The Chair has informed the Deputy that the amount of money provided for BIM is for the purpose of meeting increases in salaries. In accordance with the rulings of this House down through the years, no...
I have before me the rulings of all former occupants of the Chair in this regard. On numerous occasions the ruling has been that inclusion in Supplementary Estimates of a provision for salaries of ci...
I would appeal to the Deputy to obey the Chair.
The matter that the Deputy is attempting to raise is one for a general Estimate or for some other debate, but he may not raise it at this point.
The subhead that the Deputy is dealing with is D.1. The original provision under this subhead was for £3,760,500. The additional amount required is to pay increases in salaries granted under the nat...
The Chair is not prepared to argue further with the Deputy. If he persists in continuing in this way to flout the authority of the Chair, the Chair will not engage in further hassle with him. Since ...
The Chair has told the Deputy that he is not entitled to deal with the question of the administration or of the policy of BIM so far as this Supplementary Estimate is concerned. Such matters would be ...
The Chair is making one final appeal to the Deputy to leave this matter for the occasion of the general Estimate. The Deputy is only trying to force the Chair to send for the Ceann Comhairle, but I s...
I shall not oblige the Deputy by sending for the Ceann Comhairle. I have explained that the question of the administration of BIM may be raised relevantly when the general Estimate is before the Hous...
The Deputy is not entitled to debate the report here.
I have appealed, I have begged and I do not want to send for the Ceann Comhairle at this stage. I once more appeal to the Deputy to get away from that matter and to obey the rulings of the Chair. At...
That is a matter for the Deputy, not for the Chair.
Every Deputy is entitled to put down a motion.
I am only giving the Deputy the rulings of this House down through the years, but he is not prepared to accept them.
The Chair will not allow the Deputy to flout the Chair's ruling in that respect.
Deputy Begley, please.
That is Deputy Begley's right, if he wants to do so.
The Chair is saying that it will not allow the Deputy to break the long-established rules or make new rules of debate. I, as an individual in the Chair, have made none of those rules. They are there...
That is not relevant to the debate on the Supplementary Estimate.
The Deputy apparently, either does not understand, or does not wish to understand.
We are discussing Supplementary Estimates, which do not allow the same scope or latitude as the general Estimate. The Deputy should accept that.
There is no need to argue about this. We have had it before. Deputy, please.
The Deputy should not make charges against the Chair. The rulings——
The rulings of the Chair have been in existence down through the years. The Deputy might study them on the matter which he is now attempting to raise.
The ruling on this is simple. The additional amount required is to meet the cost of pay increases, and the Deputy cannot discuss a policy on that item. That is the ruling of the Chair.
Yes, that has always been the rule. It is not a precedent. This is only a Supplementary Estimate. The Deputy can only discuss the supplementary amounts in the Estimate, that is all. He can discuss ...
I pointed out the whole thing to the Deputy many times. The additional amount is to meet the pay increase under the national understanding. Under the rules governing Supplementary Estimates, no deba...
I have told the Deputy already, and he has agreed, that he is not entitled to debate those matters on this Supplementary Estimate.
The Chair does not have to look at anything. The Chair has to give the rulings of the House down the years.
Deputy Begley, please. The Chair does not want this sort of hassle on a Thursday afternoon.
No, because the Deputy is wasting the time of the House.
That is the first time that the Deputy has mentioned that. He is entitled to raise that point.
He is entitled to raise that.
The Chair has told the Deputy umpteen times that this matter cannot be raised on the Supplementary Estimate. He can raise it on the general Estimate.
Deputy Begley, please, obey the Chair once in a while.
The Deputy wants the Chair to do something that the Chair is not going to do. I have told the Deputy time and time again that he is not in order in raising the matters he has raised on BIM. He can d...
Deputy, please, go on to some other matter.
Where is that figure of £2,200?
In General Administration, it is under Travelling and Incidental Expenses.
There is.
The advertisements the Deputy speaks of have nothing to do with Bord Iascaigh Mhara.
The Chair knows it and I am sure the Minister knows it. Advertisements under Bord Iascaigh Mhara would come under their own subheadings.
That is for the Department proper. It has nothing to do with Bord Iascaigh Mhara.
I am not sensitive. I asked the Deputy not to pursue an issue which does not arise on a Supplementary Estimate.
Do not be making charges against the Chair.
The Deputy is again defying the Chair.
The Deputy is deliberately defying the Chair.
The Deputy is making charges against bodies which he is not entitled to make in the House. He will have to raise that on a different matter, not on a Supplementary Estimate.
That is enough.
We will not go into Bord Iascaigh Mhara any further.
We cannot debate court cases.
Supplementary Estimates, 1980. - Vóta 38: Roinn na Gaeltachta.
Ní ceart cur isteach ar an Aire.
Adjournment Debate. - Political Asylum Application.
Deputy Keating has been given permission by the Ceann Comhairle to raise on the adjournment the question of the application for political asylum of a person.
We cannot start all over again.
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