Haughey, Charles J.

Wednesday, 28 January 1981

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 326 No. 2

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Order of Business.

It is proposed to take business in the following order: Nos. 6 (resumed), 7, 8 and 5. Business will be interrupted at 3.30 p.m. to take item No. 5 and the order will not be resumed thereafter.More Button

The report will be circulated in due course in the normal way.More Button

There will not be any undue delay.More Button

Yes. I would think that this report is of such fundamental importance and significance that it would be desirable to have it published so that it can be the subject of public debate before final deci...More Button

I have no notice of that question but I shall look into the matter and communicate with the Deputy.More Button

It would be helpful if Deputies would give notice of matters they intend raising.More Button

Financial Resolutions, 1981: Financial Statement, Budget, 1981.

Is the Deputy taking into account the increased children's allowances?More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Excise—Beer.

I move: (1) THAT in this Resolution— “the Order of 1975” means the Imposition of Duties (No. 221) (Excise Duties) Order, 1975 (S.I. No. 307 of 1975); “the Act of 1980” means the Finance Act, 1980 (No...More Button

After the budget, 70p. Take a 70p retail price, 34.1p is the total tax content.More Button

On a glass of whiskey, after the budget 71.4p total tax content. This includes excise duty and VAT.More Button

On a glass.More Button

Is the whip out?More Button

They do not affect exports.More Button

The rate of inflation is falling.More Button

I am sorry that the Fine Gael Party and the Labour Party find it necessary to oppose these resolutions. In particular, I find it quite extraordinary that the Fine Gael Party should have voted against...More Button

——that, in opposing these particular revenue measures, the Opposition parties are opposing the raising of the revenue to pay for the social welfare increases, the children's allowances and better pens...More Button

I would, perhaps, accept that there was some validity in this opposition if we were taking revenue and using it for some foolish purpose, if we were buying intercontinental ballistic missiles, for ins...More Button

——or spending it on some foolish, unwise Government project. We are not spending it foolishly. This revenue is being raised and the money raised will be used to pay social welfare benefits, to pay fo...More Button

I want to deal with the question of Irish Distillers. It is difficult to know what the reality is in this regard. We all know there is a great ritual exercise gone through before every budget. There ...More Button

Nothing we do here today in regard to these duties has the slightest effect on the competitiveness of Irish spirits.More Button

I did not feel it necessary or incumbent upon me to interrupt one single speaker on that side of the House.More Button

On a point of information only.More Button

Any duties which are imposed here today on beer and spirits will not have the slightest effect on the competitiveness of those products on the export market.More Button

Some Deputy opposite pointed out that the products of the Irish distilling industry find their main competition from the Scots' distilling industry. The Irish distilling industry at present has a curr...More Button

All I would ask is that Deputies opposite show some manners and let me make my case. Let me make my case and then they can do what they like.More Button

The Irish distilling industry has that enormous currency advantage in relation to its principal competitor at present. Furthermore, if I recall correctly, the Irish distillers, with very considerable...More Button

These figures of the amount that we, as a community, spend on drink are frequently highlighted in the most dramatic terms in our newspapers and media. Do Deputies opposite say that that is not so——More Button

——and, that as a community we do not spend a very high proportion of our national income or resources on drink? I think that is the position, at least as I find it from these reports and I have never...More Button

I forget what I was saying. These ignorant interruptions ——More Button

I always find that when one is making a very telling argument against the Fine Gael people they resort to barracking, shouting and ignorant interruptions. It is always great proof to me that I am on ...More Button

Ah, that is very hard, he has been known to behave with dignity on occasions.More Button

I base my argument in favour of these resolutions on this simple premise, that these are well established, reliable revenue producers.More Button

One will always mollify the drinking man in this country if one satisfies him that the extra tax being extracted from him is going for a good social purpose and particularly for the purpose of looking...More Button

I do not think there are very many old age pensioners who buy bottles of whiskey or kegs of beer.More Button

My case is not really based on fairness and justice. I do not think there is any such thing as an ideal tax. All I am saying is that the purpose to which we are putting the revenue raised by this ta...More Button

I do not understand the question.More Button

I did not say that.More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Financial Resolution No. 3: Excise — Spirits.

I move: (1) THAT in this Resolution— “alcohol” means pure ethyl alcohol; “the Order of 1975” means the Imposition of Duties (No. 221) (Excise Duties) Order, 1975 (S.I. No. 307 of 1975); “the Act of 1...More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Financial Resolution No. 4: Excise — Wine and Made Wine.

I move: (1) THAT in this Resolution— “actual alcoholic strength by volume” means the number of volumes of pure alcohol contained at a temperature of 20ºC in 100 volumes of the product at that tempera...More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Financial Resolution No. 5: Excise—Televisions.

I move:More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Financial Resolution No. 6: Excise—Hydrocarbons.

I move: (1) THAT in this Resolution— “the Order of 1975” means the Imposition of Duties (No. 221) (Excise Duties) Order, 1975 (S.I. No. 307 of 1975).More Button

Taking premium grade petrol at 178.9p the total revenue between duty and VAT will be 91.4p.More Button

Yes.More Button

Pro rata.More Button

It is something that the Deputy will have to put up with again.More Button

I would be a lot more convinced were I not aware of the fact that the party to which Deputy Bermingham is a fully fledged, loyal, committed and dedicated member put 15p additional tax on a gallon of p...More Button

15p in 1974 was a much more onerous, much greater burden on the gallon of petrol than 15p is today. Where is the honesty, where is the integrity——More Button

——of a man who can fulminate here, with what Deputy Fitzpatrick calls sincerity from the heart, at 15p in 1981 with 15p as far back as 1974.More Button

Where were all the commuters, the hard-working shopkeepers with their vans and the farmers bringing their milk to the creamery? Were they not there in 1974?More Button

Before Deputy Bermingham loses his cool altogether, they put another 10p on in 1976, so for heavens sake let us deal with the reality.More Button

No-one on this side of the House likes this taxation. We recognise it will be an imposition on a lot of people but so would any tax that we would put on. We have to get £50 million because we have t...More Button

——consumer products everyone in the community uses. That is the only way to get the amount of revenue we need in the circumstances of today. I accept that this is a fairly severe imposition and incr...More Button

I know Deputy L'Estrange finds that mind-boggling and probably a little beyond the subtleties of his great intellect but it is a fact.More Button

If one allows for depreciation in the value of money —More Button

If the Deputy wants to take me on in that area I will take him on. I remember the Deputy being quietened here like a small boy one day.More Button

However, let us leave all that.More Button

May I remind the Deputy that he had his own little contretemps with his own Taoiseach in his own day.More Button

Deputies on that side of the House seem to abrogate to themselves the right to shout me down, barrack me, attack me and accuse me of all kinds of things and if I try to put any kind of case I am appar...More Button

What I said was that the duty content of a gallon of petrol today, if one takes the depreciation in the value of money into account and the rate of inflation, is now less than it was in 1970.More Button

It is a statistical fact that the rate of duty now is relatively less than it was in 1970. Another fact which must be taken into account, although it does not help the person who must pay the extra ...More Button

We are dealing with the price of petrol.More Button

We could relate it to the price of eggs but that is not the argument we are having.More Button

The argument I am making is that in this country as of October last year we had the third lowest price for petrol within the EEC countries. It is another argument that the increase in the price of pet...More Button

I accept that there are some people who use their cars for business purposes but I do not think there is any car owner who does not use a car also for luxury purposes, for relaxation and recreation.More Button

Perhaps it is possible for most people, through more economical use of their cars, co-operation with their neighbours, and having cars properly serviced, to save without any great disadvantage, the ex...More Button

I am told that there is an enormous difference between the amount of petrol a properly serviced car consumes and the vehicle that is not properly looked after.More Button

Is the Deputy quite incapable of showing the simplest sembance of good manners or must he keep interrupting me all the time? The Deputy is a legal person and is accustomed to court rooms, practice an...More Button

As I said before when Deputies keep interrupting me I know I must be making effective and telling arguments. It encourages me greatly.More Button

I will restrain myself.More Button

I genuinely believe Deputies could be a little more mannerly in their behaviour. They would be more effective in their parliamentary performance if they were.More Button

It is possible for the vast majority of motorists if they are a little more economical in the use of their cars and have them serviced properly to avoid most of the burden of this extra imposition.More Button

Did I interrupt the Deputy once when he was speaking?More Button

Can I not have the same courtesy from the Deputy that I offered him?More Button

When I have finished my modest, unassuming contribution I will be delighted to answer any questions put by the Deputy. As I said it should be possible for the majority of motorists by more prudent an...More Button

One final point in this argument which applies to this and the next Resolution is that we will be expending this year a major amount improving our roads.More Button

We will be expending £88 million improving our roads.More Button

I offer that fact to the general body of motorists as some compensation for this additional tax on petrol. I offer that by way of some amelioration. We will be making a major onslaught this year on ...More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Financial Resolution No. 7: Excise Duties on Mechanically Propelled Vehicles.

I move: (1) THAT section 94 of the Finance Act, 1973 (No. 19 of 1973), be amended by the substitution of “£20” for “£10” (inserted by the Finance Act, 1980 (No. 14 of 1980)) in paragraph (b) of subse...More Button

As some of the Deputies have said, this is a relatively small item. However, it does bring in an extra £6 million which is very important from the point of view of the arithmetic of the budget. I fu...More Button

At the very beginning, when tax on these cars was eliminated, the principle of the registration fee was adopted because cars still must be registered. It is absolutely essential, from the point of vie...More Button

Had the car tax not been abolished ——More Button

—— and were it still enforced——More Button

I find it very difficult, even with no interruptions, to speak clearly and succinctly and to formulate thoughts, but it really makes it impossible when Deputy Harte keeps interrupting.More Button

What was that?More Button

No.More Button

My whole thesis is that it is not. The two things are completely different. One is a registration fee, broadly speaking, to pay the cost of the registration system, the other was a very specific an...More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Financial Resolution No. 8: Excise Duties on Mechanically Propelled Vehicles.

I move: (1) THAT section 1 (2) (b) of the Finance (Excise Duties) (Vehicles) Act, 1952 (No. 24 of 1952), be, as respects licences under that Act for periods beginning on or after the 1st day of March...More Button

Financial Resolution No. 2. - Financial Resolution No. 9. General.

I move: THAT it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance. Deputy FitzGerald rose.More Button

Written Answers. - Cork — Dublin Gas Pipeline.

With the permission of the Ceann Comhairle, I propose to take Questions Nos. 213 and 214 together. The latest information available on the number of persons on the live register relates to 2 January ...More Button

The following table gives the numbers of persons on the live register at the local employment offices specified by the Deputy on 2 January 1981 (latest date available) with comparable figures for the ...More Button


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