Order of Business.

Wednesday, 18 May 1983

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 342 No. 8

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The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  It is proposed to take items Nos. 6 (resumed), 7, 8 and 9. Private Members' Business will be item No. 14 (resumed).

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  On the Order of Business I would like to ask the Taoiseach if he has any further information as a result of my question yesterday on behalf of the Irish Dunlop Company. He said yesterday that he had not notice of the question. Perhaps he will have information this morning.

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  No, I said that I would make contact with the Deputies concerned in respect of any information I could give which is non-confidential. I had hoped to do that during the course of the day but I would prefer to leave it to them.

[1494]Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  To clarify the point, is the Taoiseach saying that he will contact us today with the up-to-date information on the discussions that are taking place?

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  With any information I can give which is not essentially confidential, having regard to the fact that the Deputies concerned are people who can be trusted with reasonably confidential information.

Mrs. O'Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  I give notice that I wish to raise on the Adjournment the matter of the imminent closure of the factory of CMI in Athlone.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Chair will communicate with Deputy O'Rourke.

Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  Ba mhaith liom ceist a chur ar an Aire Oideachais faoin rud atá ar siúl i láthair na huaire faoi pháistí scoile atá fágtha ar na bóithre agus nach bhfuil cead acu na scrúduithe san Ard Teist agus san Meán Teist a dhéanamh. An bhfuil an tAire Oideachais sásta an scéim seo a mhaolú i gcaoi go mbeidh deis ag na páistí na scrúduithe san Ard Teist agus san Meán Teist a dhéanamh? Tá siad caite amach ar na bóithre agus ní bheidh siad in ann na scrúduithe seo a dhéanamh.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Tá an rud sin as ord anois. Beidh an rún os comhair an Tí tráthnóna.

Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  Ní leor sin. Tá páistí caite ar na bóithre maidin inniu. Ní bheidh siad in ann na scrúduithe a dhéanamh. Bhfuil sé i gceist ag an Aire——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Beidh cead ag an Teachta labhairt ar an ábhar seo tráthnóna.

(Cur Isteach.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Uimhir a sé. Tá an Teachta as ord.

[1495]Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  Tá páistí fágtha ar na bóithre——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Deputy John Kelly. Bí i do shuí, a Theachta Ó Gallchóir, más é do thoil é.

Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  Bhfuil sé i gceist ag an Taoiseach nó ag an Aire Oideachais——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Tá an Teachta as ord agus tá a fhios aige go bhfuil sé as ord.

Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  Tá an tAire Oideachais as ord. Céard tá i gceist aici faoi na páistí scoile?

(Cur Isteach.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Deputy Gallagher will resume his seat.

Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  This is not a laughing matter——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  If Deputy Gallagher does not resume his seat he will leave the House.

Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  This is a very serious matter——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Deputy Gallagher will leave the House. In accordance with Standing Orders, I am ordering Deputy Gallagher to leave the House for the remainder of this day's sitting.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I will have Deputy Gallagher named if he does not leave the House.

Mr. D. Gallagher: Information on Denis Gallagher  Zoom on Denis Gallagher  I leave under protest.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Kelly: Information on John M. Kelly  Zoom on John M. Kelly  On the Order of Business, in relation to the Electoral (Amendment) Bill which was circulated yesterday, I should like to ask the Minister for the Environment whether he would be willing [1496] also to circulate to Deputies a summary of the legal advice which he had in relation to this Bill. My feeling is that he cannot do what he aims to do by an ordinary Act.

Mr. Haughey: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  I made that point yesterday.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  This matter was raised yesterday and the Chair then ruled that the matter which the Deputy is now raising can be raised on the Second Stage debate. It is not in order to raise it now.

Mr. Kelly: Information on John M. Kelly  Zoom on John M. Kelly  I am sorry, I did not realise this point had been made yesterday. I do not want to be over-solemn about it, but this House is specifically prohibited by the Constitution from enacting anything which is repugnant to it, and this Bill should not even have reached its Second Stage.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Deputy is now entering into the merits of the matter and that is not in order.

Mr. Haughey: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  It is on the Order of Business. Deputy Kelly and I very rarely find ourselves in agreement on anything in this House but——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I hope the Deputies will find themselves in agreement with the Chair.

Mr. Haughey: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  How can the Chair be in a position to over-rule me before the Chair knows what I am going to say? I shall endeavour to acquiesce with the Chair's hopes in this matter. I have been conscious since yesterday of the fact that your suggestion that these matters can be dealt with on Second Stage is not really appropriate in this case because many of us would like to know the constitutional implications of this legislation before we proceed to Second Stage. I reiterate my appeal to the Minister to let us have some indication of the Government's view of the constitutional position before Second Stage.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Chair wants [1497] to make it clear that there is no procedure known to the Chair under which there can be a preliminary discussion on a Bill before the Second Stage. The Minister has heard the points made by the Deputy and by the Leader of the Opposition but we cannot debate it now.


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