Fitzpatrick, Thomas J.Wednesday, 18 May 1983 |
Dáil Eireann Debate
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Death of Former Member: Expression of Sympathy.
I understand that it is proposed to have expressions of condolence on the death of Frank Aiken.
Order of Business.
The Chair will communicate with Deputy O'Rourke.
Tá an rud sin as ord anois. Beidh an rún os comhair an Tí tráthnóna.
Beidh cead ag an Teachta labhairt ar an ábhar seo tráthnóna. (Cur Isteach.)
Uimhir a sé. Tá an Teachta as ord.
Deputy John Kelly. Bí i do shuí, a Theachta Ó Gallchóir, más é do thoil é.
Tá an Teachta as ord agus tá a fhios aige go bhfuil sé as ord.
Deputy Gallagher will resume his seat.
If Deputy Gallagher does not resume his seat he will leave the House.
Deputy Gallagher will leave the House. In accordance with Standing Orders, I am ordering Deputy Gallagher to leave the House for the remainder of this day's sitting. (Interruptions.)
I will have Deputy Gallagher named if he does not leave the House.
This matter was raised yesterday and the Chair then ruled that the matter which the Deputy is now raising can be raised on the Second Stage debate. It is not in order to raise it now.
The Deputy is now entering into the merits of the matter and that is not in order.
I hope the Deputies will find themselves in agreement with the Chair.
The Chair wants to make it clear that there is no procedure known to the Chair under which there can be a preliminary discussion on a Bill before the Second Stage. The Minister has heard the points ...
Companies (Amendment) Bill, 1982 [Seanad]: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Final Stages.
This amendment has been discussed with other amendments. Is the amendment being pressed?
Amendment No. 22 in the name of the Minister has already been discussed. Is it agreed that the amendment be made?
Amendment No. 23 in the name of the Minister has already been discussed. Is it agreed that the amendment be made?
Amendment No. 25 in the names of Deputy Mac Giolla and Deputy De Rossa has already been discussed with amendment No. 6. Is the amendment pressed? Amendment No. 25 not moved. Section 56, as amended, ag...
This amendment has already been discussed with amendment No. 1. Amendment agreed to. First Schedule, as amended, agreed to. Second and Third Schedules agreed to. Bill reported with amendments and pass...
This Bill, which is considered by virtue of Article 20.2.2º of the Constitution as a Bill initiated in the Dáil, will be sent to the Seanad.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers.
The Deputy cannot make a speech on this. The Deputy is now going a little too far. He is making a speech. I do not know whether the Deputy was here in the House yesterday when this same matter was ...
We cannot have a discussion on it here but I will inquire into it.
Certainly.
The Deputy may have a written reply and the Deputy may communicate with the Chair.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Shelter for Homeless Persons.
The Chair would feel more at ease if only one Deputy were standing at a time. Deputy De Rossa.
These two questions deal with the report of a committee concerning the homeless, and I would ask Deputies not to avail of the opportunity to have a full dress debate on the particular problem.
The Deputy may have better luck next time.
We must move on now.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Misuse of Drugs.
We should try to avoid a debate on this question.
There were four more Deputies offering.
I do not want to get into a hassle or wrangle with Deputies but if Question Time is going to be availed of for a mini-debate on policy on drugs, or on this that and the other thing, it will get out of...
Of course, they are all important issues.
The question is about legislation. Now we are way into treatment and so on.
I would be guilty of a dereliction of duty if I allowed a debate on each question to drag on casually for half the day. It is not in the interests of the people who put down questions and it is not i...
A final question from Deputy Durkan.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Bantry (Cork) Hospital.
Not a speech, Deputy.
They are well-known facts.
We do not want all the details.
If the Deputy is going to make a speech, he will have to find another way of making it.
I will not allow speeches. The Minister to reply.
This concerns Bantry.
It is a specific question.
You cannot raise a general question on a specific question.
I have a discretion as to what questions will be allowed and in my discretion I am ruling that if questions of general policy right across the country were to be introduced into specific questions the...
It is too specific to raise a general question, in my opinion.
“Debated” is right. A short final supplementary from Deputy Sheehan.
I am calling the next question. I am not going back over this matter. I know enough about west Cork to know that this could go on for a long time. I am calling Question No. 10.
I have called the next question. I am asking Deputy Sheehan to resume his seat.
That is a matter of opinion.
I have told the Deputy I am not going back on the question.
The Deputy must resume his seat. I have called Question No. 10.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Drug Abuse.
Will the Deputy please ask a question?
This is Question Time and the Deputy must ask a question.
The Deputy cannot lead to a question by making a statement giving a lot of information.
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Cashel (Tipperary) Hospital.
I am reluctant to cut in on the Deputy but we have been trying to establish a practice whereby we do not have supplementary questions on tabular statements.
I am sure that is just a coincidence. The Chair would prefer if Deputies did not try to put hypothetical questions.
That is a totally different question.
The remaining Questions will appear on tomorrow's Order Paper.
Return to Writ: Donegal South West. - Introduction of New Member.
I understand a statement is to be made.
Private Members' Business. - School Transport: Motion (Resumed).
The Deputy has a minute and as time has been split I must be strict.
The Deputy's time is up.
I understand that by agreement the Minister of State at the Department of Education, Deputy Creed, is to have 20 minutes and Deputy Avril Doyle will come in then for ten minutes.
That is not a point of order.
The Deputy should not shout at the Chair. It is not a point of order, it is a matter to be refuted in debate. Deputy Lyons will resume his seat, please.
That is not a point of order. The Deputy will resume his seat. I am warning the Deputy that if he does not resume his seat I will ask him to leave the House. (Interruptions.)
The Deputy will resume his seat.
Order, please.
Order, please.
This is no credit to the House.
If Deputy O'Keeffe interrupts again I will order him out of the House. I am appealing to all sides of the House to respect the fact that this is a limited debate with a number of people wishing to sp...
I hope it is a point of order.
That is not a point of order. Deputy Lyons will leave the House now.
It is not unfair, Deputy Lyons will leave the House or I will have him named. I call on the Minister to propose the suspension of Deputy Lyons.
Private Members' Business. - Suspension of Member.
I am doing the naming.
Yes.
I will do the naming and he will do the proposing.
It is the Chair who names the Deputy and any Member of the House can then propose his suspension. It does not even have to be a Minister. Look at the Standing Order.
The question is that Deputy Lyons be suspended.
I am putting the question without argument that Deputy Lyons be suspended.
Deputies in favour say Tá and Deputies against say Níl.
I am putting the question: “That Deputy Lyons be suspended from the service of the Dáil.”
Strictly speaking, that is not in order. It was proposed by the Minister of State, Deputy Creed.
No, there is certainly nothing in the Standing Orders about that and my advice is that an ordinary Member can move it.
I am advised that there is nothing to prevent me doing what I have done and that I am in order. We must get on with it. I have explained——
Order, please. It is certainly no pleasure for the Chair to do this. We were in a limited debate and it had been agreed to divide the time within the parties, notwithstanding Standing Orders. There...
Order, please.
We should not have this discussion. I asked the Deputy concerned to desist, I asked him to resume his seat, I warned him that if he did not resume his seat I would have to ask him to leave the House....
I do not know. I cannot anticipate the record of the House but I am saying now that Minister of State Creed did propose that Deputy Denis Lyons be suspended from the service of the House. (Interrupti...
Strictly speaking, these points of order are not in order.
Yes. The Chair names the Deputy and a Member proposes that he be suspended. Vótáil, please. Get on with the vote. Question put. The Dáil divided: Tá, 65; Níl, 61. Tá
Private Members' Business. - School Transport: Motion (Resumed).
The motion gets three hours, and 26 minutes have now been taken up with the suspension and the division and those 26 minutes will have to be added on. Those 26 minutes will carry over into next week.
There is no such point of order as a point of information.
A question is not in order.
No.
The Minister and Deputy Doyle have until 8.05 p.m.
The Minister cannot give her ten minutes at this stage.
Deputy H. Byrne on a point of order.
That is not a point of order, Deputy.
Deputy Doyle has until 8.05 p.m.
Deputy Browne on a point of order.
That is not a point of order. That is a matter for reply. Deputy Browne will resume his seat——
Deputy Browne will resume his seat, please. If Deputy Browne does not resume his seat I will have to ask him to leave the House.
I do not want to be continuing this. I am appealing to Deputy Browne to resume his seat. Will Deputy Browne not resume his seat?
Deputy Browne will now leave the House and I am ordering him out of the House, in accordance with Standing Orders, for the remainder of today's sitting.
If Deputy Browne does not leave the House I will have to have him named. We must have order here or the whole system will break down.
I am calling the Minister to name Deputy Browne. I am naming the Deputy and I am asking the Minister to propose his suspension from the service of the House. Deputy Browne withdrew from the Chamber....
Deputy Avril Doyle has been interrupted for that length of time and nothing can be done about it.
I think, Deputy, that any reference to Nazis or comparing anybody to Nazis should be withdrawn.
Deputies Albert Reynolds, John Wilson and Hugh Conaghan have 30 minutes between them.
The Deputy should address the Chair.
I will not have interruptions from either side of the House.
Order.
Order. I am calling Deputy Conaghan.
Deputies should not read newspapers in the Chamber.
I take it the Deputy is reading from notes. I am calling on Deputy Conaghan to continue.
If the Deputy reports progress he will have one minute the next night.
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