Suspension of Member.

Wednesday, 9 November 1983

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 345 No. 9

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[1755]The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  I move:

That Deputy Byrne be suspended from the service of the Dáil.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I am putting the question:

That Deputy Byrne be suspended from the service of the Dáil.

Question declared carried.

Mr. S. Byrne: Information on Seán Byrne  Zoom on Seán Byrne  I am being suspended in the interest of the Irish people for whom the Government are afraid to go out and fight.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Deputy must now withdraw from the House.

Deputy Byrne withdrew from the Chamber.

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  One mickey mouse less.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Order.

Mr. Tunney: Information on James C. Tunney  Zoom on James C. Tunney  The Taoiseach should be ashamed of himself.

Mr. Leyden: Information on Terry Leyden  Zoom on Terry Leyden  He is the one who should leave the House.

Mr. Haughey: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  On a point of order, I wish to make it clear that while we did not vote on the expulsion of Deputy Byrne, that is not to say that we do not protest against your ruling. Would you not consider that the Taoiseach contributed to the unseemly outburst in the House just now by his remark to the effect that the Opposition were not serious about the milk super-levy especially since this party have promised the Government full support at all times in their efforts to defeat the proposal? In the interest of order in the House, will you ask the Taoiseach to withdraw that gratuitously insulting remark?

[1756]The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  On a point of order, the Deputy has misquoted me. I said if the Deputies opposite were serious about seeking a second debate on the subject they would have put it down for Private Members' Time, a quite different point.

Mr. Haughey: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  It is down for Private Members' Time.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): On a point of order, is it in order for the Taoiseach to refer to a Member of this House as a mickey mouse? I would ask you, Sir, to ask the Taoiseach to withdraw that.

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Tunney: Information on James C. Tunney  Zoom on James C. Tunney  Withdraw it.

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): I would ask you to ask the Taoiseach to withdraw that remark, a Cheann Comhairle.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I want to make if perfectly clear that I was trying to get order for the Leader of the Opposition, who was on his feet on a point of order, when there was noise all over the place.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): A Cheann Comhairle, I would ask you to ask the Taoiseach to withdraw that reference to a Member of this House.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I did not hear any such remark.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): You are most selective in your hearing, a Cheann Comhairle. You are not upholding the decorum of this House — if your hearing is selective — because the Taoiseach did make that remark.

[1757]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Deputy Noonan will behave himself.

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): The Taoiseach did make that remark.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  If Members of this House want to make the working of this House impossible that is their business.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): You are not upholding the decorum of this House.

Mr. Tunney: Information on James C. Tunney  Zoom on James C. Tunney  Helped here by the Irish language, that piece about bodhaire Uí Laoghaire — bodhaire na Cathaoireach anois — you must have heard the Taoiseach make a most insulting remark about a Member of this House and the Taoiseach should be gracious enough in the interests——

(Interruptions.)

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  If you would give me a chance——

Mr. Tunney: Information on James C. Tunney  Zoom on James C. Tunney  The Taoiseach should be gracious enough in the interests of the House to withdraw that most insulting remark.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I am saying that I did not hear the remark.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Tunney: Information on James C. Tunney  Zoom on James C. Tunney  Then your hearing must be defective. He should withdraw the remark.

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): He should withdraw the remark.

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  Let me say that I did use the phrase to point up the impropriety of the Deputy concerned——

(Interruptions.)

Deputies:  Blather.

[1758]The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  ——referring to the Government's mickey mousing. And if the noun mickey mouse is insulting so is the verb.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): Withdraw the remark.

Mr. Tunney: Information on James C. Tunney  Zoom on James C. Tunney  It is a poor attempt.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I will have to adjourn the House. I would ask for Members' assistance.

Mr. Haughey: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  I am accepting your word, a Cheann Comhairle, that you did not hear the Taoiseach refer in gratuitously insulting terms to a Member of this House. But surely, Sir, you now have the admission of the Taoiseach that he did use this phrase about a Member of the House. Will you now, Sir, in the interests of order, ask the Taoiseach to withdraw that remark?

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I have had no such acknowledgment from the Taoiseach and——

Deputies:  He has just said it.

Mr. Lenihan: Information on Brian Lenihan Snr.  Zoom on Brian Lenihan Snr.  The Taoiseach has just said it.

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  I have withdrawn it and I am expecting the Opposition to withdraw the use of the verb mickey mousing equally. I presume you will insist on that equally.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I would appeal to the Members of the House to behave as adults.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  Might I ask the Taoiseach when it is expected that we will have the Hours of Work Bill before this [1759] House and, if, in view of his recent comments, whether——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Look, Deputy, do not be making a speech.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  Surely that is in order.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  It is in order to ask when a Bill will be before the House, but it is not in order to develop that into a speech that will invite another speech turning the thing into a beer garden. Certain Members of the House seem to be determined to do that.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  You have not allowed me finish my question. I demand the right to ask the question.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Deputy asked when would a certain Bill appear on the Order Paper. That is in order——

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  But you interrupted me, Sir, when I added two words to that. I can assure you I have no intention of disrupting the Business of the House. It will be a very short question. May I ask the question now?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  If the question is in order I will allow it.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  I think you are getting too sensitive, Sir. I want to ask the Taoiseach when we will have the Hours of Work Bill, that has been promised before the Dáil——

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  This session.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  ——and if, in view of his recent comments, consideration has been given to the work-sharing aspect that could be contained in it?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Deputy put a simple question, he has got a straight, answer. Item No. 6.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  I have not had an answer. I was on my feet asking a question and the Taoiseach, in an unmannerly [1760] way, interrupted. I have not had an answer.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I would ask Deputy Gene Fitzgerald to behave as an adult.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  If the Taoiseach thinks he can adopt that arrogance surely he should also show some respect to Members of this House? I will stay on my feet until I get an answer to the question. I did not get an answer.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Chair has ruled that the Deputy got an answer.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  I did not get an answer. There was an interruption while I was on my feet.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  If the Chair says you got an answer, you got an answer as far as the House is concerned. I am calling Deputy Mary O'Rourke.

Mr. Gene Fitzgerald: Information on Eugene Fitzgerald  Zoom on Eugene Fitzgerald  Could I ask the Chair what was the answer?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  “This session”; everybody heard it.

Mrs. O'Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  For the fourth time in succession I wish to ask if the question of Athlone hospital could be taken on the Adjournment this evening. I want to stress that it is the fourth time I have endeavoured to raise this very important issue in this House.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Chair will consider that request, together with others and make a decision at the appropriate time.

Mr. S. Walsh: Information on Seán Walsh  Zoom on Seán Walsh  In view of the statement made by the Taoiseach that he is meeting the unions might I ask will he be informing the House of the outcome of this meeting, particularly in view of the statement made by an officer of a political party that Clondalkin Paper Mills will be re-opened?

[1761]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I am not allowing a discussion on this.

Mr. S. Walsh: Information on Seán Walsh  Zoom on Seán Walsh  I endeavoured to raise this important matter on the Adjournment yesterday. This is a very important issue.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Of course it is an important matter.

Mr. S. Walsh: Information on Seán Walsh  Zoom on Seán Walsh  If you are not going to allow me then I will ask that the matter be raised on the Adjournment this evening, when I will be asking if a statement will be made in relation to the talks.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I will consider that together with other questions.

Mr. Allen: Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  In view of the conflicting scientific evidence about discharges from Windscale and in view of the British Government's decision to hold a special inquiry into this matter, I should like to raise the matter on the Adjournment.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Chair will communicate with the Deputy.

Mr. R. Burke: Information on Ray Burke  Zoom on Ray Burke  In response to a question by Deputy De Rossa the Minister for the Environment replied “shortly” in regard to the Housing Bill. This is a very serious matter. I wonder if the Minister would be more specific. In particular, I would ask him if he will bring it forward next week.

Mr. Spring: Information on Dick Spring  Zoom on Dick Spring  I would hope to bring it forward within a matter of weeks, two to three weeks. We are certainly working to bring it before the House as quickly as possible.

Mr. R. Burke: Information on Ray Burke  Zoom on Ray Burke  The Minister is aware of the implications——

Mr. Spring: Information on Dick Spring  Zoom on Dick Spring  I am aware of the implications and the difficulties.

Mr. Wallace: Information on Dan Wallace  Zoom on Dan Wallace  I wish to raise on the Adjournment the statement by the Minister for Transport regarding B & I sailings [1762] out of Cork during the summer. He has been accused by the chairman of Cork Harbour Commissioners of giving incorrect information——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Chair will communicate with Deputy Wallace.

Mr. Wallace: Information on Dan Wallace  Zoom on Dan Wallace  ——and he also stated that the people of Cork did not support this service. This has been rejected and all concerned with the service——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Deputy Wallace is not in order in making a speech.

Mr. N. Andrews: Information on Niall Andrews  Zoom on Niall Andrews  Might I ask the Taoiseach if, in view of the revelations in London yesterday, that Mussolini, during the thirties, paid £30,000 a year to the British Union of Fascists ——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  That is not in order. I am ruling Deputy Andrews ——

Mr. N. Andrews: Information on Niall Andrews  Zoom on Niall Andrews  A Cheann Comhairle, wait until I put the question.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  No, I will not. The Deputy is making a speech.

Mr. N. Andrews: Information on Niall Andrews  Zoom on Niall Andrews  I want to ask the Taoiseach if similar Government papers here—this is a matter of fundamental public importance to this country ——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  I am calling Item No. 6.

Mr. N. Andrews: Information on Niall Andrews  Zoom on Niall Andrews  I would like to raise that matter on the Adjournment, if I may, a Cheann Comhairle.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  The Chair will communicate with the Deputy.

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael J. Noonan  Zoom on Michael J. Noonan  (Limerick West): Might I ask the Taoiseach when the Government are likely to introduce legislation on land leasing?

The Taoiseach: Information on Garrett Fitzgerald  Zoom on Garrett Fitzgerald  The matter is under consideration. I would not like to say at this moment whether it will be in this session or the next—it might be in the [1763] next session rather than this—but obviously we would want to bring it forward as soon as possible.

Mr. G. Brady: Information on Gerard Brady  Zoom on Gerard Brady  I know it is very difficult speaking from here but at the same time I have been trying—with your permission, Sir—to request a “yes” or “no” answer: did the Taoiseach discuss the question of the use of missiles in the North of Ireland?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Thomas J. Fitzpatrick  No, that was dealt with. We cannot go back on yesterday. I am ruling that out of order. We dealt with that yesterday.


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