Fitzpatrick, Thomas J.Thursday, 12 December 1985 |
Dáil Eireann Debate
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Order of Business.
Are the arrangements for the introduction and the taking of Supplementary Estimates, including the provision for the taking of divisions should they arise, agreed?
The Chair understands that when leave has been given to introduce Supplementary Estimates all of them will be moved by a Minister——
Yes, and will be taken and disposed of without debate with the exception of Votes 23, 25, 38, 41, 46 and 47, which will be taken as provided for today and tomorrow.
That is an agreement between the Whips. It is not in the Order of Business. Are the arrangements for today and tomorrow agreed? Agreed.
This would have been in order if you had said it before the items were agreed. Now you are putting the Chair in an awkward position.
It is not the Order of Business.
It would have been perfectly in order when I asked if the suggestion was agreed to. The Opposition need not have agreed to it and Deputy Haughey could have made then the speech he is making now. The...
You cannot raise it now. The Deputy knows better than to put the Chair in this impossible position.
That is not in order. I have just refused another Deputy. The Chair must be consistent. Having refused one Deputy I cannot allow another Deputy to try to raise the matter.
The Deputy will be allowed to ask a question.
This is not in order.
I will communicate with the Deputy.
Will Deputy O'Keeffe resume his seat?
Will the Deputy resume his seat? Deputies must be presumed to be familiar with Standing Orders. They cannot but be familiar with the procedure on the Order of Business, with what is in order and wh...
I will communicate with the Deputy.
Supplementary Estimates, 1985: Leave to Introduce.
I am sure the leader of the Opposition and Deputy O'Keeffe will find an opportunity later to discuss this matter.
The House has just agreed unanimously that these Estimates will be taken immediately and decided without debate. Either we are to have debate on them or we are not to debate them.
The order is: by agreement, the Supplementary Estimates being introduced today will be taken immediately after leave has been granted for their introduction and shall be brought to a conclusion forthw...
That is correct.
Leaving out the merits of the issue, it is not within the spirit of the agreement that I have been told has been reached, because Deputy Haughey proceeds to debate the various Estimates I will not be ...
I am complying with the order that is before me. There is no objection to the Deputies speaking within the time provided on Estimates Nos. 23, 25, 38, 41, 46 and 47.
If Deputy Haughey speaks on the proposal, everyone else may speak to it also so that we could continue to debate this aspect of the Estimates until 5 p.m. this evening.
I must point out that the Estimates are not yet before the House but having heard Deputy Haughey, it would be manifestly unjust not to give the Minister a hearing.
Is leave being granted to introduce the Supplementary Estimates?
I wish Deputy Haughey would allow the business to proceed.
If Deputy O'Keeffe does not behave himself he will have to leave the House. The Chair is defending Standing Orders.
The Deputy must behave himself.
Vote 46: Social Welfare.
By agreement Vote No. 46 will be brought to a conclusion not later than 12.30 p.m. today.
Anything more than a passing reference to matters which have already been before the House is not in order.
For the record, I must point out that the business of creating jobs is a matter for another Minister.
This may be the result, but the Deputy should confine himself to what the Minister for Social Welfare is responsible for to the Dáil.
You can get at him on another occasion.
I must put it on the record that you are not in order.
There is no procedure for that.
Vote 23: Office of the Minister for Justice.
The Deputy will appreciate that that is a matter for another Department and another Minister.
I am putting down a marker.
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers.
I will communicate with the Deputy.
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Niemba (Congo) Ambush.
That is argument.
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Army Missiles.
The Deputy's contribution is more appropriate to the Department of Defence Estimate.
The Deputy is putting forward an argument with which he wants the Minister to agree and that is not appropriate to questions.
It has to do with defence, but we cannot discuss the Department of Defence Estimate at Question Time.
That is a separate question.
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Public Service Pay.
That sounds like argument.
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Powers of Ombudsman.
It is now 3.30 p.m. and I must take up questions nominated for priority.
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Civil Servants Pay.
That concludes Question Time and questions put down for oral answer which have not been reached will now go for written reply. Deputy De Rossa has been given permission to ask a Private Notice Questio...
Private Notice Question. - CIE Bus Dispute.
It is good to hear something nice for a change.
The Deputy must ask a question. This is not an Adjournment debate.
I have given the Deputy a good deal of latitude.
The Deputy has asked me for an explanation. I do not wish to be short with him but I am not in the business of giving explanations in the House and the Deputy should know that. I am not giving an exp...
Adjournment Debate. - County Tipperary Factories.
Deputy O'Kennedy has been given permission to raise the question of redundancies at Roscrea Meat Products Limited.
That does not arise.
Order, please.
Kindly let us have order in the House for the Minister.
Let me make it clear——
——that there is not much point in Deputies bringing this House into session on the Adjournment and asking many question of Ministers and then proceeding to interrupt. This is happening far too often.
If, as the Minister says, the matter is before the High Court, does he not think it might be sub judice?
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