Order of Business.

Wednesday, 17 June 1987

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 373 No. 9

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The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  It is proposed to take Nos. 12, 13 and 14.

It is also proposed that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. today and not later than 12.30 a.m. tomorrow and business shall be interrupted at 12 midnight tonight.

It is further proposed that the Committee and Remaining Stages of No. 13 shall be taken not later than 8.30 p.m. tonight and shall be brought to a conclusion not later than 11 p.m. tonight by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only amendments set down by the Minister for the Environment.

It is further proposed that all Stages of No. 14 shall be brought to a conclusion not later than 12.00 midnight tonight by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which, shall, in relation to amendments, include only amendments set down by the Minister for Tourism and Transport.

Private Members' Business shall be No. 25.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  I find it most unsatisfactory that two Bills of this kind — the Urban Renewal (Amendment) Bill and the Tourist Traffic Bill — should be taken [2186] in their entirety in just a few hours tonight and, in particular, that the Tourist Traffic Bill, which deals with tourism policy which one would think was a matter of some importance, is taken in one hour, between 11 p.m. and 12 midnight tonight, and that no amendments can be made on that Bill or on the other Bill unless in the name of the Minister. All this is apparently because of the unwillingness of the House to sit during the months of July or September, so far as one can judge. This is not satisfactory, particularly when taken in the context that the rest of the Committee Stage of the Finance Bill has to be finished by 7 p.m. today.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  These proposals are properly before the House now and it is for the House to decide.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  The Tourist Traffic Bill is simply an enabling Bill to increase the amount of expenditure at the disposal of Bord Fáilte. This is a routine enabling, minor piece of legislation. The Second Stage of the Urban Renewal (Amendment) Bill has been dealt with by the House, and the Committee Stage of the Finance Bill, as everybody knows, has to be through by a certain date. The procedure proposed here is not unreasonable and is one which has been followed on countless occasions in this House, many a time when Deputy O'Malley was a Member of the Government or Government Chief Whip and proposed exactly the sort of arrangement we are proposing now.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  Would the Taoiseach make time available today to discuss the support given by the Fianna Fáil Party in the European Parliament yesterday where a motion which called the European Foreign Ministers to work in political co-operation to promote the European concept of security, drawing up a list of aims regarding arms——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That does not arise on the Order of Business.

[2187]Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  I am asking the Taoiseach if he will make time available to discuss this matter which is another apparent U-turn by the Fianna Fáil Party to add to the Single European Act, privatisation, the Anglo-Irish Agreement——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  This does not arise on the Order of Business.

Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  I want to know if this is another U-turn

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  This is something which could be arranged by the Whips.

Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  I want to know whether Mr. Lalor had the support of the——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Order. I am calling Deputy Mac Giolla.

Mr. Deasy: Information on Austin Deasy  Zoom on Austin Deasy  The Russians are off the west coast.

Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  Can we have time to discuss this U-turn.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I have no control over that.

Tomás Mac Giolla: Information on Tomás MacGiolla  Zoom on Tomás MacGiolla  I also wish to express——

Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  I want to know if Mr. Lalor was speaking on behalf of his party and——

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Dukes: Information on Alan M. Dukes  Zoom on Alan M. Dukes  On a point of order, unless I am very much mistaken, it is in order on the Order of Business to ask the Government if they will make time available for a debate? May I ask if you would put the question to the Taoiseach?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Chair cannot compel any Member of this House to speak.

Mr. Dukes: Information on Alan M. Dukes  Zoom on Alan M. Dukes  The Chair cannot compel [2188] but the Chair can certainly invite the Taoiseach——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Mac Giolla.

Mr. Dukes: Information on Alan M. Dukes  Zoom on Alan M. Dukes  On a point of order, the Chair can invite the Taoiseach to answer. If the Taoiseach wishes not to answer then we will draw our own conclusions. On the other hand, he may wish to answer. However, it is in order on the Order of Business to ask if the Government will make time available——

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  The question is not in order.

Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  May I ask the Taoiseach if the Member of the European Parliament, Mr. Lalor, speaking on behalf of his party has the support of the Government in this matter?

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  The Deputy knows the order of the House——

Mr. Barry: Information on Peter Barry  Zoom on Peter Barry  If I put down a question to the Taoiseach will he see that it is not transferred?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  If the Deputy wants to find time, he will have to look for alternative ways of discussing this matter. I am calling Deputy Mac Giolla.

Tomás Mac Giolla: Information on Tomás MacGiolla  Zoom on Tomás MacGiolla  I find the ineptness of the proceedings amazing when the Leader of the Opposition is unable to discover what is in order and what is not on the Order of Business. I also wish to express my opposition to the imposition of the guillotine on three occasions today, but in particular on the Finance Bill which, it was mentioned yesterday ——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That matter was decided ——

Tomás Mac Giolla: Information on Tomás MacGiolla  Zoom on Tomás MacGiolla  I am simply asking if the Whips of the Government and the main Opposition parties would reconsider this matter and extend the discussions on the Finance Bill from 8.30 [2189] p.m. until midnight because of the importance of this legislation. Would they reconsider the guillotine which has been imposed on this most important Bill, particularly today's sections which are of vital consequence?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Matters appertaining to the arrangements for the taking of the Finance Bill were decided yesterday and I cannot allow them to be raised again today.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  Arising from the reply by the Taoiseach to Deputy O'Malley, does he think it right and proper that the Bill dealing with tourism, to which he referred as a fairly minor matter, should be taken in one hour without any limitation on the length of speeches? This effectively means that parties and Deputies generally will not be able to comment on the measure because the limitation of one hour means there will be no democratic participation. It would not be unreasonable ——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy has made his point.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  Does the Taoiseach accept that the summary scheduling of the Order of Business is desirable and essential, otherwise we will have dissatisfaction every day? It is unreasonable to expect the House to debate any Bill — particularly a Bill of significance — in one hour. It means the Minister can speak for half an hour and one Opposition spokesman can speak for the remaining half hour. Nobody can accept that and I ask the Taoiseach to seriously consider my remarks as a genuine attempt to be constructive. Everybody wants to particpate in the processes of this House but the Order of Business means we cannot do so. It is not reasonable, fair or democratic and the Taoiseach and everybody else knows that. I ask the Taoiseach to comment on my remarks.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I cannot compel him to do so.

[2190]Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  Will you at least give the Taoiseach a chance to do so? Ask him if he wishes to comment.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  I have already replied to the leader of your party.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  Will the Taoiseach reply to the point I made?

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  The point has no validity.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  The point has perfect validity. Does the Taoiseach not accept ——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  This is leading to argument. If Members seriously wish to challenge the arrangements for the Order of Business they will be afforded an opportunity of doing so.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  We simply want ——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am calling Deputy Hussey. Deputy Keating will resume his seat and desist from interrupting the Chair.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  If you were as firm with the Government ——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  If the Deputy persists I will have to ask him to leave the House. He may not speak from a sitting position.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Keating, I ask you for the last time ——

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  With respect, you rebuked me for speaking from a sitting position but you did not say anything to the Taoiseach when he did the same.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I will not tolerate any further this insolent approach to the Chair by the Deputy.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  I regret it is interpreted as insolence. I am trying to be reasonable.

[2191]Mrs. Hussey: Information on Gemma Hussey  Zoom on Gemma Hussey  The Minister for Education stated yesterday in the House that she hoped to have the question of the theft of examination papers clarified within a matter of hours. Will she now assure the House that there is no threat——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  It is not in order to raise this matter now. The Deputy may find another opportunity of doing so.

Mrs. Hussey: Information on Gemma Hussey  Zoom on Gemma Hussey  When? Will you please tell me what other opportunity I have of raising it?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy may seek to raise it on the Adjournment or she could put down a question.

Mrs. Hussey: Information on Gemma Hussey  Zoom on Gemma Hussey  I seek to raise this matter by way of Private Notice Question.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I will consider it.

Mrs. Doyle: Information on Avril Doyle  Zoom on Avril Doyle  Will the Taoiseach make a statement clarifying the Government's position in relation to the Russian flotilla off the Cork coast?

Mr. Allen: Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  It is off the Kerry coast.

Mrs. Doyle: Information on Avril Doyle  Zoom on Avril Doyle  Perhaps NATO are using Inismhicealáin——

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  We have enough men down there.

Mrs. Doyle: Information on Avril Doyle  Zoom on Avril Doyle  Where are there?

Mr. M. Higgins: Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  I am reluctant to distract attention from the presence of fleets around our coast but, as Foreign Affairs spokesman for the Labour Party, I suggest that the Taoiseach should consider placing in the Library of the House a statement as to the procedures and practices followed in relation to European Political Co-operation so that we may assess the status of statements made by individuals in Europe and elsewhere which affect us.

[2192]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That matter does not arise now.

Mr. M. Higgins: Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Is this not the appropriate time to ask the Taoiseach if he will consider lodging——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am afraid not, Deputy.

Mr. Birmingham: Information on George. M. Birmingham  Zoom on George. M. Birmingham  I wish to raise on the Adjournment the question of the decision by the Government to end the career guidance service traditionally provided by the Department of Education.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I will communicate with the Deputy.

Mr. Allen: Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Will the Minister for Health say what steps he proposes to take to protect children at risk who are affected by the official strike in the ISPCC?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That hardly arises now.

Mr. Allen: Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Will the Minister answer my question? I will put down a Private Notice Question in this regard.

Mr. Deasy: Information on Austin Deasy  Zoom on Austin Deasy  There is widespread public concern about the legal position governing the health contributions paid in 1979. I have repeatedly asked the Taoiseach if he will tell us if those health contribution payments should be refunded because of the decision in Youghal District Court on 28 May.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That does not arise on the Order of Business. Deputy Deasy must know he will have to find other ways and means of raising that matter.

Mr. Deasy: Information on Austin Deasy  Zoom on Austin Deasy  Can you advise me what other procedure I can take to get my question answered?

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  Put down a Dáil question.

[2193]Mr. Cullen: Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  The attitude of the Taoiseach in regard to the Tourist Traffic Bill is completely irreconcilable with the Government's attitude to tourism. How can we discuss an important aspect of future development of tourism in one hour? I was democratically elected to this House and I find that a dictatorship is in operation. I worked hard to have a voice in this Chamber but my democratic rights are being taken away with the collusion of the Taoiseach and Deputy Dukes.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Cullen has made his point.

Mr. G. Mitchell: Information on Gay Mitchell  Zoom on Gay Mitchell  In view of the fact that the holes dug by the Gas Company are now at the gates of Leinster House, will the Taoiseach or the Minister for the Environment tell the House when we may expect the building by-law legislation which was urgently pressed for in the consultants' report following the explosion at Raglan House?

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  My colleague, the Minister for the Environment, informs me that the answer is “shortly”.

Mr. G. Mitchell: Information on Gay Mitchell  Zoom on Gay Mitchell  There could be a massive explosion.

Mr. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  In view of the imminence of an announcement in relation to the details of a beef deal, will the Taoiseach indicate whether Members will have an opportunity to discuss this matter in the House?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That does not arise on the Order of Business.

Mr. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Will the Taoiseach indicate whether he proposes to make an announcement in the House as there is widespread concern as to the full implications?

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  I wish to raise two matters with the Taoiseach. When will the Government meet their commitment as promised in their recent election manifesto to decriminalise homelessness by [2194] repealing the Vagrancy Act, 1824? I wish to raise on the Adjournment the failure of the Department of Justice to adequately investigate a serious incident of assault involving members of the prison staff at Mountjoy in September 1986.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I shall communicate with the Deputy in respect of the latter.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  I would be anxious to hear from the Taoiseach. I believe it is appropriate to know when the Government intend to introduce the promised decriminalisation of homelessness, this being the International Year of the Homeless. It is an important matter.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  I have already indicated that the Bill dealing with homeless persons is imminent and that the Minister for the Environment has promised to consult with a number of involved organisations before finalising. Those consultations are taking place at this very moment. As soon as they are completed the Bill will be brought forward.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  My question was not in that regard, although I am happy to hear that it is imminent. I am interested to know when the Government might honour one commitment they made which was the repeal of the 1824 Vagrancy Act which makes it an offence to be found abroad without a roof over one's head.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  That will be covered in the Bill I have mentioned.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  May I inquire from the Taoiseach if he proposes to intervene to change the present situation whereby Whips' meetings in this House are held between only the Government Whip and the Fine Gael Whip? Does he propose to restore the situation that existed here for upwards of 60 years whereby Whips' meetings were held between the Whips of all the parties in the House? In restoring the previous situation, the difficulties [2195] of trying to get information on the Order of Business, as was the case today as well as on other days, could be avoided.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  Perhaps the matter could be discussed between the Whips at any time.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  That is the very point. The Whips are not discussing anything. That is why the inquiry has to be made here. By virtue of the silly answer the Taoiseach has just given, it is obvious that he approves of and wishes to retain the present situation. That is part of a larger picture which is fairly ominous and about which quite a number of people are becoming rather concerned. It does not just include the members of the Progressive Democrats and the Labour Party.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I want to come to dealing with the Order of Business before the House. We have not dealt with it yet.

Mr. Desmond: Information on Barry Desmond  Zoom on Barry Desmond  If the Taoiseach is not careful, this Coalition could break up.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  There are still a number of Deputies offering.

Mr. Flynn: Information on Pádraig Flynn  Zoom on Pádraig Flynn  Alliance of the left.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Order, please.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  Is the Taoiseach going to retain the situation whereby the Whips of all the parties are excluded? That would mean that we are going to have a continuation of the difficulties we have had in this House in recent times, that these difficulties will operate indefinitely into the future. It is on the Taoiseach's head if that is the case.

Mr. Yates: Information on Ivan Yates  Zoom on Ivan Yates  When is it intended to restore to the Order Paper the Restrictive Practices (Amendment) Bill, 1986 establishing the new fair trade commission as [2196] promised in a written answer by the Minister for Industry and Commerce?

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  It has begun today.

Miss Kennedy: Information on Geraldine Kennedy  Zoom on Geraldine Kennedy  As the Progressive Democrats are excluded from the Whips' meetings may I ask the Taoiseach when it is proposed to adjourn the Dáil for the summer recess and when it is proposed that the House will resume after the recess.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  That is a matter for the Whips.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  All two of them.

Mr. Yates: Information on Ivan Yates  Zoom on Ivan Yates  Arising out of the Taoiseachs reply——

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  I answered that question yesterday.

Mr. Yates: Information on Ivan Yates  Zoom on Ivan Yates  ——there are two Restrictive Practices (Amendment) Bills, one dealing with below cost selling and the other with the establishment of the new fair trade commission. It was the latter to which I was referring.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  Next week.

Mr. Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  I want again to ask the Taoiseach on the Order of Business when the Government propose to introduce the promised legislation for the abolition of local charges. This was promised specifically by the Taoiseach and by the Government in their election manifesto and election literature.

Mr. Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  No comment?

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  It is a matter for the Whips.

Mr. Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  The Taoiseach promised specifically to introduce legislation to abolish local charges for local authority services.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy, I think the Taoiseach was about to reply.

[2197]The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  As I understand it, the legitimacy of raising matters on the Order of Business refers to legislation promised by the Government.

Mrs. Hussey: Information on Gemma Hussey  Zoom on Gemma Hussey  Not election promises.

The Taoiseach: Information on Charles J. Haughey  Zoom on Charles J. Haughey  This Government have not promised any such legislation.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Stagg, please resume your seat.

Mr. Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  My question is on the Order of Business and it should be allowed.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Stagg, please resume your seat.

Mr. Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Answers were given to other questions raised on this matter. The Chair is being unfair to me.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I would ask Deputy Stagg for the last time to resume his seat. He is continuing to disobey the Chair, I shall have to ask him to leave the House.

Mr. Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Those other questions were similar to the matter I am raising.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Stagg will now leave the House.

Deputy Stagg withdrew from the Chamber.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am proceeding now to the Order of Business.

Mr. Sherlock: Information on Joe Sherlock  Zoom on Joe Sherlock  I have a question to ask. I seldom get the opportunity.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  We have been some length hearing questions from Deputies. At some stage I must get the Order of Business approved.

Mr. Sherlock: Information on Joe Sherlock  Zoom on Joe Sherlock  I have one point to raise. In view of all the important legislation which is needed and which has been [2198] promised by the Government, would the Taoiseach say when it is proposed that the Dáil will recess and will he continue——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That question has been asked.

Mr. Sherlock: Information on Joe Sherlock  Zoom on Joe Sherlock  ——the business of the Dáil in introducing that important legislation?

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  With your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, I would like to raise on the Adjournment the matter of the serious situation in the North Connaught Farmers' Co-operative area where farmers are selling milk quotas to farmers outside the co-op area. This is devastating to the west of Ireland.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I shall communicate with the Deputy.

Mr. Taylor: Information on Mervyn Taylor  Zoom on Mervyn Taylor  I wish to raise on the Adjournment the matter of the complete absence of funds in the Dublin local authorities for the construction of extensions for disabled persons.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I shall communicate with the Deputy.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  As the Progressive Democrats are excluded from attending meetings of the Whips, may I inquire from the Taoiseach, since I have no other forum through which I can do so, the date on which it is proposed that the Dáil should adjourn and the date on which the Dáil should re-assemble? Deputy Kennedy has already attempted to get this information.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Order, please. I assume that a motion in respect of that matter will come before the House in due course, when Deputies may express their views.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  It is perfectly normal that parties in the House should be given [2199] some notice of these dates so that Deputies can make ——

A Deputy:  Holiday arrangements.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  —— appropriate arrangements. I am making that inquiry Sir, which I think has been made by people in my position down through the years in this House.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy has asked a question.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  I am wondering why I am not getting the courtesy of a reply today.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am proceeding with the Order of Business.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  I am not getting the courtesy of a reply.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Would the Deputy please allow me to proceed to deal with the Order of Business?

Mr. M. Higgins: Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  A Cheann Comhairle, I am not trying to be persistent. If this experience is not to be repeated every morning, is it not in all our interests to be allowed to participate in estabishing the Order of Business through the normal accepted convention of Whips' meetings?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That point has been very well put this morning by a number of Deputies.

Mr. M. Higgins: Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  We want to know when legislation will be on the Order Paper. We are elected to provide that information and entitled to get that answer. I want to know before the Dáil finishes as to whether this convention that [2200] has been established of two Whips overriding entirely the wishes of the House to participate in ordering the business will continue? If so, it will disrupt the business of this House, both in the remainder of this term and in the next.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That viewpoint has been well ventilated today and yesterday.

Mr. M. Higgins: Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  It has not been answered.

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  The behaviour of the Taoiseach is a disgrace. And look at the man who calls himself the Leader of the Opposition. What is he opposing?

Mr. Dukes: Information on Alan M. Dukes  Zoom on Alan M. Dukes  What do the Progressive Democrats stand for?

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  Parliaments in which that sort of thing happened before did not remain parliaments for long.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Order.

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  Reichstag stuff this is.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Keating: Information on Michael Keating  Zoom on Michael Keating  We are right and the Taoiseach knows we are right.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Is the late sitting arrangement agreed? Agreed. Are the arrangements proposed in relation to No. 13 agreed?

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  No.

Question put: “That the arrangements as proposed by the Taoiseach in relation to item No. 13 be agreed to.”

Abbott, Henry.
Ahern, Bertie.
Ahern, Dermot. [2201]Aylward, Liam.
Barrett, Michael.
Barrett, Seán.
Barry, Peter.
Begley, Michael.
Birmingham, George.
Boland, John.
Boylan, Andrew.
Brady, Gerard.
Brady, Vincent.
Brennan, Matthew.
Briscoe, Ben.
Browne, John.
Bruton, John.
Bruton, Richard.
Burke, Liam.
Burke, Ray.
Byrne, Hugh.
Calleary, Seán.
Carey, Donal.
Collins, Gerard.
Conaghan, Hugh.
Connolly, Ger.
Coughlan, Mary T.
Cowen, Brian.
Creed, Donal.
Crowley, Frank.
Daly, Brendan.
Davern, Noel.
Dempsey, Noel.
Dennehy, John.
de Valera, Síle.
Doherty, Seán.
Doyle, Avril.
Dukes, Alan.
Durkan, Bernard.
Ellis, John.
Enright, Thomas.
Fahey, Frank.
Fahey, Jackie.
FitzGerald, Garret.
Fitzgerald, Liam.
Fitzpatrick, Dermott.
Flaherty, Mary.
Flanagan, Charles.
Flood, Chris.
Flynn, Pádraig.
Gallagher, Denis.
Gallagher, Pat the Cope.
Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
Griffin, Brendan.
Haughey, Charles J.
Hegarty, Paddy.
Ahern, Michael.
Allen, Bernard.
Andrews, David. [2202]Higgins, Jim.
Hilliard, Colm Michael.
Hussey, Gemma.
Hyland, Liam.
Jacob, Joe.
Kenny, Enda.
Kirk, Séamus.
Kitt, Michael P.
Kitt, Tom.
Lawlor, Liam.
Lenihan, Brian.
Leonard, Jimmy.
Lowry, Michael.
Lynch, Michael.
Lyons, Denis.
McCarthy, Seán.
McCreevy, Charlie.
McGahon, Brendan.
MacSharry, Ray.
Mitchell, Gay.
Morley, P.J.
Moynihan, Donal.
Naughten, Liam.
Nealon, Ted.
Nolan, M.J.
Noonan, Michael.
(Limerick East).
Noonan, Michael J.
(Limerick West).
O'Dea, William Gerard.
O'Donoghue, John.
O'Hanlon, Rory.
O'Keeffe, Batt.
O'Keeffe, Jim.
O'Keeffe, Ned.
O'Leary, John.
O'Rourke, Mary.
Power, Paddy.
Reynolds, Albert.
Roche, Dick.
Shatter, Alan.
Sheehan, P.J.
Smith, Michael.
Stafford, John.
Treacy, Noel.
Tunney, Jim.
Wallace, Dan.
Walsh, Joe.
Walsh, Seán.
Wilson, John P.
Woods, Michael.
Wright, G.V.

Clohessy, Peadar.
Colley, Anne.
Cullen, Martin.
De Rossa, Proinsias.
Desmond, Barry.
Gibbons, Martin Patrick.
Harney, Mary.
Higgins, Michael D.
Howlin, Brendan.
Kavanagh, Liam.
Keating, Michael.
Kennedy, Geraldine.
McCartan, Pat.
McCoy, John S.
McDowell, Michael.
Mac Giolla, Tomás.
Molloy, Robert.
O'Malley, Desmond J.
O'Sullivan, Toddy.
Quill, Máirín.
Sherlock, Joe.
Spring, Dick.
Taylor, Mervyn.
Wyse, Pearse.

Question declared carried.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Are the arrangements proposed in relation to item No. 14 agreed?

Mr. D. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  No.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am putting the question: “That the arrangements as announced by the Taoiseach in relation to item No. 14 be agreed to.”

Question put.

Abbott, Henry.
Ahern, Bertie.
Ahern, Dermot.
Ahern, Michael.
Andrews, David.
Aylward, Liam.
Barrett, Michael.
Brady, Gerard.
Brady, Vincent.
Brennan, Matthew.
Briscoe, Ben.
Browne, John.
Burke, Ray.
Byrne, Hugh.
Calleary, Seán.
Collins, Gerard.
Conaghan, Hugh.
Connolly, Ger.
Coughlan, Mary T.
Cowen, Brian.
Daly, Brendan.
Davern, Noel.
Dempsey, Noel.
Dennehy, John.
de Valera, Síle.
Doherty, Seán.
Ellis, John.
Fahey, Frank.
Fahey, Jackie.
Fitzgerald, Liam.
Fitzpatrick, Dermott.
Flood, Chris.
Flynn, Pádraig.
Gallagher, Denis.
Gallagher, Pat the Cope.
Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
Haughey, Charles J.
Hilliard, Colm Michael.
Hyland, Liam.
Jacob, Joe.
Kirk, Séamus.
Kitt, Michael P.
Kitt, Tom.
Lawlor, Liam.
Lenihan, Brian.
Leonard, Jimmy.
Lynch, Michael.
Lyons, Denis.
McCarthy, Seán.
McCreevy, Charlie.
MacSharry, Ray.
Morley, P.J.
Moynihan, Donal.
Nolan, M.J.
Noonan, Michael J. (Limerick West).
O'Dea, William Gerard.
O'Donoghue, John.
O'Hanlon, Rory.
O'Keeffe, Batt.
O'Keeffe, Ned.
O'Leary, John.
O'Rourke, Mary.
Power, Paddy.
Reynolds, Albert.
Roche, Dick.
Smith, Michael.
Stafford, John.
Treacy, Noel.
Tunney, Jim.
Wallace, Dan.
Walsh, Joe.
Walsh, Seán.
Wilson, John P.
Woods, Michael.
Wright, G.V.

Clohessy, Peadar.
Colley, Anne.
Cullen, Martin.
De Rossa, Proinsias.
Desmond, Barry.
Gibbons, Martin Patrick. [2205]McCoy, John S.
McDowell, Michael.
Mac Giolla, Tomás.
Molloy, Robert.
O'Malley, Desmond J.
O'Sullivan, Toddy.
Higgins, Michael D.
Howlin, Brendan.
Kavanagh, Liam.
Keating, Michael.
Kennedy, Geraldine.
McCartan, Pat. [2206]Quill, Máirín.
Sherlock, Joe.
Spring, Dick.
Taylor, Mervyn.
Wyse, Pearse.

Question declared carried.


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