Wednesday, 15 November 1989
Dáil Éireann Debate
It is also proposed that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. today and business shall be interrupted at 10.30 p.m. It is further proposed that Nos. 1 and 4 shall be taken without debate. It is further proposed that the Supplementary Estimate to which No. 4 refers shall be taken at 8.30 p.m. and notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, the following arrangements shall apply: (1) the speech of the Minister for Health moving the Supplementary Estimate, and of any other Member called on, shall not exceed 15 minutes; (2) the Minister shall be called on to conclude the debate not later than 10.20 p.m. and (3) if a division is challenged, it shall be taken forthwith and the Order shall not resume.
Mr. McCartan: On a point of order. Before you put the questions on today's Order of Business, while we agreed yesterday with regard to the business today on the Trustee Saving Banks Bill, is it not in order to expect that there should be a question on today's Order of Business, this being a separate day's sitting? We cannot be bound by yesterday's order  in relation to today and poor progress has been made on that item.
Mr. McCartan: In the light of the poor progress and the huge amount of business outstanding on that Bill, how can we voice our opposition to what was agreed by the House yesterday, in view of the developments since then?
Mr. McCartan: In order to assist and not to appear to be unduly obstructive in regard to the issues before the House, I would ask whether the Taoiseach or the Whip is prepared to consider allowing further time for debate on this Bill.
An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy is seeking to rehash yesterday's debate. That is not in order. The Taoiseach has announced the Order of Business. Deputy O'Shea gave me notice that he wishes to raise a matter under Standing Order 30.
Mr. O'Shea: I served notice that I want to have the House adjourned in accordance with Standing Order 30 to deal with the matter of the bank charges which are being introduced for administering local authority accounts. This will put——
Mr. McCartan: In view of the fact that so little progress has been made on the Trustee Savings Banks Bill, it is our proposal that the House should sit later and that the Committee and Report Stage debates should be extended to a later hour so that we can adequately debate these matters. For that reason we oppose the Adjournment of the House at 10.30 p.m.
Browne, John (Wexford).
Connolly, Ger. Hyland, Liam.
Kitt, Michael P.
Noonan, Michael J.
|Coughlan, Mary Theresa.
de Valera, Síle.
Fitzgerald, Liam Joseph.
Gallagher, Pat the Cope.
Haughey, Charles J.
Hilliard, Colm. O'Dea, Willie.
O'Malley, Desmond J.
O'Toole, Martin Joe.
Wilson, John P.
Mac Giolla, Tomás.
Mr. Dukes: Can the Taoiseach tell us today what stage his consideration has reached in relation to the proposal to set up a foreign affairs committee, a committee on health, education and welfare, a committee on public expenditure and another on non-commercial State bodies? May I remind the Taoiseach that he has had the matter of a foreign affairs committee under consideration since April 1987. It is about time he came to a conclusion on this matter.
Mr. Dukes: A Cheann Comhairle, the Taoiseach has, with your agreement, answered questions like that in the House before. It is in the House here that we heard from him that these matters are under consideration. Therefore I would ask, Sir, that you follow your own precedent——
Mr. Dukes: The Taoiseach has certain prerogatives but none relates specifically to this House. He is a Member of this  House like anybody else and you, Sir, have allowed him before to react to such questions. Has he any wisdom to offer us this morning on these pearls he has been gestating for two and a half years?
Mr. Sherlock: In view of the decision taken by Cork County Council on Monday last, because of promised legislation, that no discussion would take place on the Estimate and as this is legislation promised as far back as 1985 to repeal the 1983 Act in respect of service charges, is it intended to introduce the necessary legislation to repeal the 1983 Act?
Mr. J. O'Keeffe: May I ask the Taoiseach, on the Order of Business, whether it is intended to introduce legislation or what measures have been taken to stop people breaking into Garda stations following the break in at the Fitzgibbon Street Garda station yesterday?
Mr. Quinn: Yesterday I asked the Taoiseach if he was in a position to give the House an indication when the regulations giving effect to the EC Directive on Environmental Impact Assessment would be laid before the House. Is the Taoiseach any better informed today?
The Taoiseach: The Deputy has been informed by my office about the position in regard to that on a number of occasions. The position is that these regulations have to be made by 12 December and will be so made.
Mr. J. Mitchell: A Cheann Comhairle, you ruled the Leader of the Opposition out on asking the Taoiseach whether he had made up his mind about committees of the House. You drew his attention to the fact that this was not Question Time.
Mr. Yates: May I ask the Taoiseach again when it is proposed to take the Clinical Trials (Amendment) Bill? He promised to communicate with me a fortnight ago and I have no communication on this matter. Will the Taoiseach say whether this Bill, promised by the Minister for Health, will be taken this session because all hospital research has ceased  on account of the defects in the present Act?
Mr. Taylor: May I ask the Taoiseach the present position regarding the regulations to be made by the Minister for Justice under the Judicial Separations Act which has been in force for over a month but which cannot operate until those regulations are brought in? What is the position in that regard?
Mr. Taylor: It deals with an Act of the House which was passed and has been in full operation since the middle of last month but which cannot operate in the absence of the regulations. It is not like the previous case.
Mr. Deenihan: May I ask the Taoiseach if it is the Government's intention to introduce amending legislation to repeal the Farm Tax Act, 1985, in view of the reserved judgement by Mr. Justice Barron in the High Court yesterday when he stated that having decided to abolish the legislation the Government should have passed an amending Act and having failed to do so the whole legislation was tainted with illegality? May I ask the Taoiseach if he has any plans to introduce this legislation?
Mr. Gilmore: I should like to raise on the Adjournment the problems faced by over 10,000 people on social employment schemes who are denied the Christmas bonus, free meat scheme, free fuel scheme and so on.
Miss Flaherty: Yesterday the Taoiseach informed me that the Government were considering a Bill regulating the occupational pensions area. I should like to know if they are including provisions for equal treatment in that Bill as required by the EC, or do they intend to introduce a separate Bill covering that area.
Mr. Ferris: I seek your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, to raise on the Adjournment of the House this evening the negative response of the Minister for Social Welfare to the report from the major religious superiors.
Mr. Quinn: May I ask the Taoiseach on the Order of Business if it is his intention to make time available next week to give a report to the House on the outcome  of the special EC summit which will take place this weekend in Paris?
Mr. Ryan: I should like to raise on the Adjournment the plight of asthmatics, in particular those in Dublin, in view of the smog and fog problems. They should be given some sort of long-term illness card so that they can overcome their difficulties especially as this Government are not going to deal with this problem of smog during the current year or for the foreseeable future.
Mrs. Barnes: At the conclusion of the  debate on the Dún Laoghaire Harbour Bill last Friday the Minister of State at the Department of the Marine informed the House that the authority and its membership would be announced by Wednesday of this week. I want to ask the Minister for the Marine or the Taoiseach if we will have that information before the day is past.
Tomás Mac Giolla: Thank you, a Cheann Comhairle. May I ask your permission to raise on the Adjournment the continued shameful treatment of the employees of Irish Shipping and the refusal of three Governments to adequately compensate them for their loyal service to this country.
Dr. Lee: With your permission I should like to raise a most serious and grave matter. In short, it is a matter of life and death for some people and I need your help with it. Last Wednesday on the Adjournment debate the Minister informed the House that there were paediatric neuro-surgeons with sufficient expertise and experience to carry out neuro-paediatric operations. I am in possession of sworn affidavits——
Mr. Spring: Given the constructive and informative debate which took place in this House last night on our voting position in the United Nations and what I believe is the overwhelming support of the Deputies on all sides of the House to get the Irish representative at the UN to change our position, may I ask the Taoiseach if the Government will reconsider the position they outlined in the House last night?
Mr. Sheehan: In view of the depressed state of beef cattle prices at present I should like to ask the Minister for Agriculture and Food if he has any intention of reopening the export of live cattle——
Miss Flaherty: I should like to ask the Minister for Social Welfare if he is yet in a position to indicate when the regulations on the Social Welfare Act will be ready to allow unemployed people to participate more widely in educational opportunities.
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