Order of Business.

Tuesday, 10 December 1991

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 414 No. 4

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The Tanáiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  It is proposed to take Nos. 6 and 8. It is also proposed subject to the agreement of the House that: (1) business shall be interrupted at 10.30 p.m. tonight; (2) the sitting shall be suspended today from 6.30 p.m. to 7 p.m.; (3) the proceedings on all Stages of No. 6 if not previously concluded shall be brought to a conclusion at 5 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only amendments set down by the Minister for Finance.

Private Members' Business shall be No. 36-Motion 46.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Is the proposal for the late sitting today satisfactory and agreed?

Mr. J. Bruton: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  Agreed.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  In respect of that proposal and the Order of Business generally, the late sitting this evening——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  We are taking the items seriatim. Is this in respect of the first proposal that business be interrupted at 10.30 p.m.?

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  Yes. The ordering of a later sitting this evening is specifically to facilitate the Government taking, in part, the Second Stage of the B & I Line Bill, 1991. The Workers' Party are implacably opposed to rushing this Bill through the House; indeed they are opposed to it being taken today in view of the evidence emerging that the Government have not had proper or due regard to the staff/management buy-out proposals and the other matters with regard to the financial deal being [569] presented to the proposed purchaser. We are asking the Government——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy should not embark on a speech. I take it the Deputy is opposing the proposal that business be interrupted at 10.30 p.m. this evening? Is that the position?

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  Yes, Sir, on the grounds——

[570]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  No, the Deputy has said sufficient on the matter.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  We are signalling our opposition to the Government ramming this Bill through the House.

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  A Cheann Comhairle, it was agreed between the Whips last week.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am putting the question: “That business be interrupted at 10.30 p.m. tonight.”

Question put.

Ahern, Dermot.
Ahern, Michael.
Aylward, Liam.
Barrett, Michael.
Brady, Gerard.
Brady, Vincent.
Brennan, Mattie.
Brennan, Séamus.
Briscoe, Ben.
Browne, John (Wexford).
Callely, Ivor.
Clohessy, Peadar.
Coughlan, Mary Theresa.
Cowen, Brian.
Cullimore, Séamus.
Daly, Brendan.
Davern, Noel.
Dempsey, Noel.
Dennehy, John.
de Valera, Síle.
Ellis, John.
Fitzgerald, Liam Joseph.
Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
Flood, Chris.
Flynn, Pádraig.
Gallagher, Pat the Cope.
Harney, Mary.
Hillery, Brian.
Jacob, Joe.
Kelly, Laurence.
Kenneally, Brendan.
Kirk, Séamus.
Kitt, Michael P.
Kitt, Tom.
Lawlor, Liam.
Lenihan, Brian.
Leonard, Jimmy.
Lyons, Denis.
McDaid, Jim.
McEllistrim, Tom.
Molloy, Robert.
Morley, P.J.
Nolan, M.J.
Noonan, Michael J.
(Limerick West).
O'Dea, Willie.
O'Donoghue, John.
O'Hanlon, Rory.
O'Malley, Desmond J.
O'Rourke, Mary.
O'Toole, Martin Joe.
Power, Seán.
Quill, Máirín.
Roche, Dick.
Smith, Michael.
Stafford, John.
Treacy, Noel.
Tunney, Jim.
Wallace, Mary.
Wilson, John P.
Woods, Michael.
Wyse, Pearse.

Byrne, Eric.
Gilmore, Eamon.
Gregory, Tony.
Howlin, Brendan.
Kavanagh, Liam.
McCartan, Pat.
Mac Giolla, Tomás.
Moynihan, Michael.
O'Shea, Brian.
O'Sullivan, Gerry.
Quinn, Ruairí.
Rabbitte, Pat.
Ryan, Seán.
Sherlock, Joe.
Spring, Dick.

[571] Question declared carried.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  May I now ask if the proposal that the sitting today be suspended from 6.30 p.m. to 7 p.m. is agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 6 agreed? Agreed.

Mr. J. Bruton: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  Can the Tánaiste let the House know the arrangements the Government propose to make next week to allow the House discuss the findings of the inspectors appointed to investigate the affairs of Greencore-Irish Sugar? That report will come out next week and it is important that the House should have an opportunity to discuss it before it goes into recess for Christmas.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  It does not relate to the Order of Business.

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  I am sure any such arrangements can be made with the agreement of the Whips.

Mr. Spring: Information on Dick Spring  Zoom on Dick Spring  Can I take it from what the Tánaiste said there will be a debate on the report?

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  I simply said that whatever business is on next week will be agreed by the Whips.

Mr. J. O'Keeffe: Information on Jim O'Keeffe  Zoom on Jim O'Keeffe  And will not be vetoed by the Taoiseach?

Mr. Spring: Information on Dick Spring  Zoom on Dick Spring  I love the clarity of those replies. Can the Tánaiste inform me, first, if a committee on European affairs will be set up before the end of this session, and, second, if the Government's proposals to amend the Health (Family Planning) Act will be published before the end of this session?

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  Whatever promises have been made with respect to those two matters will be adhered to.

(Interruptions.)

[572]Mr. J. O'Keeffe: Information on Jim O'Keeffe  Zoom on Jim O'Keeffe  Which of the promises relating to the foreign affairs committee will be adhered to? Two conflicting promises were made and neither has been kept.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Before Members rise and address the House they should be called by the Chair. Deputy Deasy.

Mr. Deasy: Information on Austin Deasy  Zoom on Austin Deasy  May I ask the Tánaiste if the Minister for Labour, the former Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy O'Kennedy, will come before the House to make a personal statement to explain why he misled the House on 15 May last?

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  I am in a position to state that the Minister for Labour, the former Minister for Agriculture and Food, did not mislead the House.

Mr. Deasy: Information on Austin Deasy  Zoom on Austin Deasy  Yes, he did and it is on the record.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Please, Deputy. Deputy Pat McCartan.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  May I ask the Tánaiste if the Government will consider bringing forward as a matter of urgency the legislation to amend the law relating to the matrimonial rights of spouses to an interest in the matrimonial home, and if they will use the time before the Christmas recess to rush that legislation through the House rather than the B & I Bill which is not essential and necessary——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Please, Deputy McCartan, one thing at a time.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  Such legislation would have far greater impact on the needs of the people of this community than the B & I Bill.

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  I suspect that the enthusiasm for a matrimonial Bill is less important than giving the Deputy an opportunity to talk about the other Bill. [573] I want to repeat that as soon as the Supreme Court decision was announced the Minister for Justice announced to this House and the country that he had legislation ready.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  If the legislation is ready, why not rush it through the House?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Please, Deputy. I call Deputy Paul Connaughton.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  Why can we not debate such legislation before Christmas instead of debating the B & I Bill——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  There can be no debate on the matter now.

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  The Government order the business of the House, not Deputy McCartan.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  You have a very warped sense of priority in Government.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy McCartan may not ignore the Chair. He does so at his peril.

Mr. McCartan: Information on Patrick McCartan  Zoom on Patrick McCartan  Apologies.

Mr. Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  May I ask the Tánaiste if the Government have discussed the problems which now beset Teagasc? What do they intend to do about the proposed closures?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  It is not a matter which should be raised now, Deputy.

Mr. Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  It is a matter for the Government and I should like to know where they stand on it.

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  I understand Teagasc have made a statement that the matter is confidential as of now.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Enright was offering earlier.

Mr. Enright: Information on Tom Enright  Zoom on Tom Enright  May I ask the Tánaiste if, [574] in view of the widespread public concern about the Carysfort issue on which statements were made by a normally reliable source——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I thought Deputy Enright had something relevant to raise.

Mr. Enright: Information on Tom Enright  Zoom on Tom Enright  ——that meeting took place?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The matter is on the Order Paper for today and tomorrow and may not be pursued now.

Mr. Enright: Information on Tom Enright  Zoom on Tom Enright  May I ask the Tánaiste——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  No, you may not ask something that is out of order.

Mr. Enright: Information on Tom Enright  Zoom on Tom Enright  ——if in view of the widespread public concern about this matter he will allow time in this House for a debate on the matter?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Éamon Gilmore.

Mr. Enright: Information on Tom Enright  Zoom on Tom Enright  This would be in everyone's best interests.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Please, Deputy Enright.

Mr. Enright: Information on Tom Enright  Zoom on Tom Enright  What happened is outrageous, and it should be debated here.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Gilmore.

Mr. Enright: Information on Tom Enright  Zoom on Tom Enright  There is widespread public concern and deep anxiety about the matter.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. J. O'Keeffe: Information on Jim O'Keeffe  Zoom on Jim O'Keeffe  It cannot be swept aside. The truth will out.

Mr. Farrelly: Information on John V. Farrelly  Zoom on John V. Farrelly  The ladybird has fled the nest.

[575]Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  I wish to refer to the Roads Bill. In view of the public statement made yesterday by the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment that she has problems with that Bill, may I ask the Tánaiste if the Government have plans to withdraw the Bill in the form it was published?

The Tánaiste: Information on John P. Wilson  Zoom on John P. Wilson  I am not aware of the difficulties of the Aire Stáit, but I have the greatest confidence that my dear friend and constituency colleague, the Minister for the Environment, will deal with any matters which may arise.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. Spring: Information on Dick Spring  Zoom on Dick Spring  It is a high moral difficulty.

Mr. Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  May I——

Mr. Farrelly: Information on John V. Farrelly  Zoom on John V. Farrelly  A Cheann Comhairle——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I want to call Deputy Howlin.


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