Order of Business.

Wednesday, 7 February 1996

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 461 No. 2

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The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  It is proposed to take Nos. 9, 10, 11 and 1. It is also proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that Private Members' Business shall be No. 22 and the proceedings on the Second Stage thereof shall be brought to a conclusion at 8.30 p.m. tonight.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Are the proposals for dealing with Private Members' Business satisfactory and agreed? Agreed.

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Will the Taoiseach outline to the House the action the Government intends to take in relation to the report of the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General? As Minister I brought forward that legislation which is different from what we dealt with in the past because we extended its remit. The various bodies — health boards, vocational education committees — are covered by this particular report. In the normal course of events the relevant Minister would take whatever action was necessary but these bodies have the same powers as Government Departments had previously. A number of important matters are raised in the [330] report and I wish to highlight one in particular.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Did the Deputy not refer to legislation?

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  The point I am making refers to the Bill we are discussing today, the Misuse of Drugs Bill.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  We must not have any elaboration now.

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  The report of the Comptroller and Auditor General states that there is a general absence of proper control over pharmacy stocks and that the financial implications of such poor control——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The matter of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report does not arise now. Doubtless the House will have an opportunity of debating that matter later.

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  There is not much point in the Comptroller and Auditor General providing a report to the House if no action is taken on it. The Comptroller and Auditor General is highlighting the general misuse of drugs in the health service.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  There are ample ways and means, in accordance with the procedures of this House, to deal with the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General. May I ask the Taoiseach if he has an observation to make on legislation in this area?

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  May I ask the Taoiseach what he intends to do with that legislation?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am not aware of any legislation in the area unless I am corrected in that regard.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  There is no legislation promised in the area. The Deputy's questions, therefore, are not appropriate to the Order of Business but I do [331] not wish to deny him information on a matter of this nature. The report will have to be considered immediately by the bodies directly concerned as they are the ones most appropriate for taking action thereon. Furthermore, the report will be considered by the Committee of Public Accounts and the Government will be communicating with that committee, which I believe is chaired by a member of the Deputy's party. It is appropriate that the matter be dealt with by the committee established for that purpose, which has existed since the House was formed.

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Will the relevant Ministers responsible for the health boards and vocational education committees take the same responsibility as if it were a matter concerning their own Departments?

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  Of course not.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I cannot allow Question Time now.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  There is little point in saying that Ministers have the same responsibility for devolved bodies as they have for what happens in their own Departments. Ministers will take responsibility in so far as their statutory responsibility extends but in the first instance it is a matter for the bodies themselves to take action.

(Interruptions.)

Mrs. O'Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  Mr. Cooney's appointee.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  Deputy Ahern should not expect otherwise given that we have devolved responsibilities to these boards under law passed in this House, In so far as the Ministers have a responsibility they will take that responsibility seriously and I have already indicated to the Deputy that we will be reporting to the Committee of [332] Public Accounts. I suggest to the Deputy that if he wishes to raise matters relating to the Committee of Public Accounts, such as this report, the appropriate place to do that is in the Committee of Public Accounts, not on the Order of Business where they do not come within the rules as understood.

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  This is the first time we have received such a report from the Comptroller and Auditor General——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Sorry, Deputy, the report does not arise now. That is very clear

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  ——and if we are concerned about controlling these matters, we must take an interest in them.

Mr. Dukes: Information on Alan M. Dukes  Zoom on Alan M. Dukes  The Deputy is scraping the barrel this morning.

Mr. B. Ahern: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  It is nice to see Deputy Dukes back again.

Mr. Davern: Information on Noel Davern  Zoom on Noel Davern  I am sure you, a Cheann Comhairle, and the Taoiseach would wish to sympathise with the family of Mr. Danny Fanning who was murdered in my constituency last night by a gang with Dublin and Northern Ireland accents. May I ask the Taoiseach the proposals he and the Minister for Justice have to curtail this horrific type of murder and indeed the type of crime committed during the week where 12 people were fortunate not to be killed in an armed raid on the Minella Hotel? Five shotguns were used in that raid. Will the Taoiseach include in those proposals the removal of the right to remain silent and expedite changes in the bail laws to help the Garda Síochána in its battle against crime?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  There are ways and means, in accordance with the procedures of this House, for dealing with delicate and tragic matters of this kind.

Mr. Davern: Information on Noel Davern  Zoom on Noel Davern  On pending legislation, [333] will the Taoiseach consider a proposal to remove the right to remain silent?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy can table a question on that matter.

Mr. Dukes: Information on Alan M. Dukes  Zoom on Alan M. Dukes  We will defend the Deputy's right to remain silent.

Mr. N. Treacy: Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  That is a disgraceful remark.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  The Minister was silenced and given a job.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  I wish to raise a matter I raised yesterday. When I asked the Taoiseach about the response given by the Minister for Social Welfare, Deputy De Rossa, on 23 January he said that replies to written parliamentary questions later in the day would clarify the matter. Despite the fact that replies to parliamentary questions are normally available at approximately 4.20 p.m., when my office contacted the Department of Social Welfare at 5.50 p.m. it was told the replies were being redrafted. These questions were submitted five days ago, the matter was raised in the House on 23 January and the response of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am not prepared to have a rehash of yesterday's rather unruly proceedings.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  A special unit has had to be set up to investigate the answers.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  There are ways and means of dealing with the matter. A substantive motion has been tabled, item No. 35 on the Order Paper in the name of Deputy Joe Walsh.

Mr. N. Treacy: Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Can we take it now?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Committee on Procedure and Privileges is also seized of this matter and will doubtless deliver its opinion on it in due course.

[334]Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  It is a disgraceful matter.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  We must not anticipate these considerations. I will hear no more about the matter.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  I wish to raise a question on promised legislation.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Certainly.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  On the question of Ministers telling the truth to the Dáil the Taoiseach told the House in November 1994 that: “Fine Gael in Government will ensure that when answers to questions asked in the House are not adequate the Ceann Comhairle will be given a power to demand that a further answer be given”.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  That was then.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  He went on to say: “It is only by that change will it be possible to ensure that the Government of the day is fully accountable”. When does the Taoiseach propose to give this power to the Ceann Comhairle? I spent last night examining the response given by the Minister for Social Welfare, Deputy De Rossa, checking dictionaries and talking to people in the advertising business. The advertisement was directed at a target audience, a select few, and for the Minister for Social Welfare to say——

Mr. N. Treacy: Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  The red brigade.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy is proceeding against my ruling and I will hear no more on the matter. The Private Members' motion dealing with this matter can be taken next week if Members so desire and I will convene a meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges as early as possible. I think the House has precedents in this matter and I am waiting to find out if it is the intention to utilise Private Members' time next week to deal with the issue.

[335]Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  When does the Taoiseach propose to give you this power, a Cheann Comhairle?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  It is not legislation.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  The Minister for Social Welfare stated yesterday in the Dáil that he did not mislead the House——

Mrs. O'Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  But he did.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  ——and I believe that that is the case. The communication within his political party seeking people to assist him in giving political advice in regard to Government business was not an advertisement in any normally understood meaning of the term.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Then what is it?

(Interruptions.)

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  The same brazenly hypocritical Opposition parties would have said the Minister misled the House if he had said the communication was an advertisement. They cannot have it both ways.

Mr. Dempsey: Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  The Government cannot have it both ways.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  If that has been the only means whereby he could have made it known he was seeking applicants for this position they would have said that was not an advertisement.

Mrs. O'Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  They are five Democratic Left advisers.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  They are now saying that because he said it was not an advertisement he misled the House.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I had sought to ensure that there would be no debate on [336] the matter now and I am sorry it has taken that trend.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  May I——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Not on that subject, Deputy. I will not hear it.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  I am sorry, a Cheann Comhairle, but I am looking for the truth in this matter.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The ball is at your feet in this regard.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  I expect you to provide an opportunity to enable us to get the truth in the House. I want to know if the Taoiseach will provide Government time for this motion so that we can get the truth in this matter.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That was raised yesterday morning.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  But we did not get an answer.

Mr. O'Dea: Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  Will the Taoiseach give a simple answer, yes or no?

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  No.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. O'Malley: Information on Desmond J. O'Malley  Zoom on Desmond J. O'Malley  The matter in question appears in a column headed “vacancies”. All newspapers——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I have ruled the matter out of order. Demonstrations of that kind are not in order, Deputy.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  The Minister for Social Welfare is a sham and a disgrace.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  It is obvious from the succession of trivia raised by the Opposition parties this morning that the principal vacancy is in their political programmes.

[337]Mr. Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  The Taoiseach is prepared to defend the Minister for Social Welfare to the death.

Mr. Andrews: Information on David Andrews  Zoom on David Andrews  One hundred thousand pounds of taxpayers' money is not trivia. No wonder the country is in such a mess.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputies have utilised all the procedures open to them to deal with this issue. Deputy Walsh has put down a motion and the matter is before the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. Let us not anticipate these procedures.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  This is a very serious matter.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I know that but I am not prepared to entertain it now.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  An effort was made to conceal information from this House. The secretary of Democratic Left now seems to be responsible for taking on staff in the Department of Social Welfare at taxpayers' expense.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Walsh, please desist.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  This is the first time the House has been deliberately misled.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Please resume your seat, Deputy.

Mr. J. Walsh: Information on Joe Walsh  Zoom on Joe Walsh  The House has been told a deliberate lie and there is a coverup by the Government.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Walsh is being disorderly.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Order, please. I am proceeding to the business ordered.

[338]Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  On a point of order——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  It is difficult enough to maintain order in the House——

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  It is a point of order.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Unless it is seen to be a point of order and not disorder that kind of ruse will not work.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  I am seeking your guidance, a Cheann Comhairle. In recent days we have been informed that the matter can be raised by way of substantive motion or by bringing it before the Committe on Procedure and Privileges.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That has been done.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Deputy Walsh has put down a motion which may be taken during Private Members' time some time in the future. We have asked the Government to provide time——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am aware of that and it has been replied to by the Taoiseach.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  A report ont he file of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges about allegations made by Deputy Jim Mitchell recommends that disorderly allegations made in the House should not be referred to it but should be dealt with in the House.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I would much prefer if the Deputy waited for the debate on the matter.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  I ask you to decide on that matter. There is a precedent whereby the Committee on Procedure and Privileges has recommended that these allegations should be taken in the House and not referred to it.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  If Deputies [339] wish to refer a matter to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges I do not see any function for me in it.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  The Committee on Procedure and Privileges has thrown the matter back on the Dáil, according to that report.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I would prefer if the Deputy raised these points during the debate which doubtless will ensure on this matter in Private Members' time.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  I am asking you to give a ruling on it.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am not prepared to give an instantaneous ruling on such matters. This House is not a court of law.

Mr. D. Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  I am not asking you to give an instantaneous ruling on it.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  On proposed legislation, given that the Taoiseach has more stomach for dealing with Fine Gael Ministers and Ministers of State and that the Minister of State, Deputy Gay Mitchell, has allocated 50 per cent of the local development fund to his constituency——

Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach (Mr. G. Mitchell): Information on Gay Mitchell  Zoom on Gay Mitchell  No, I have not.

(Interruptions.)

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  That matter does not arise now. I must ask Deputy Harney in all seriousness to raise that matter at the appropriate time in the appropriate way.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  I wish to ask another question on promised legislation. Given that the Minister for Defence told the Dáil on 16 November 1988 that where there was favouritism in giving out public funds or where there was an abuse of [340] public funds Fine Gael would not stand for it in Government, what will the Government do to ensure that——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I am sorry, Deputy Harney, but I cannot facilitate you now and you know that. I call Deputy Micheál Martin.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  What does the Taoiseach intend to do to ensure that there is——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I have called Deputy Martin and if he does not respond now I will not call him again.

Miss Harney: Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  There is favouritism in the Minister of State's constituency.

Mr. Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  On a separate issue relating to promised legislation, when will the Government bring forward its legislative proposals appertaining to early school-leavers? It was clearly illustrated in a recent report by the European Social Fund Evaluation Unit that there has been an alarming reduction in expenditure on early school-leavers, from 8 per cent to 3 per cent, under this Minister for Education.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  If there is no legislation promised in this area, the Deputy may raise the question at some other time.

Mr. Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  The relevant legislation is the truancy Bill. It is promised legislation.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  A general education Bill will be introduced in the House later this year. Furthermore, it is hoped that school attendance legislation, which has been in need of reform for many years, will be brought forward in the second half of the year.

Mr. D. Wallace: Information on Dan Wallace  Zoom on Dan Wallace  In excess of £400,000 out of a budget of £900,000, was allocated to the constituency of the Minister of State, Deputy Gay Mitchell——

[341]Mr. G. Mitchell: Information on Gay Mitchell  Zoom on Gay Mitchell  That is untrue.

Mr. D. Wallace: Information on Dan Wallace  Zoom on Dan Wallace  Will he explain the position to the House?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Deputy Wallace, please resume your seat.

(Interruptions.)

Mr. G. Mitchell: Information on Gay Mitchell  Zoom on Gay Mitchell  A sum of £5.5 million went to the Deputy's constituency and £5.5 million went to Deputy Haughey's constituency.

Mr. Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Deputy Mitchell hijacked a few million pounds for his constituency. The bottom line is that he is looking after his own.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  If I do not hear something relevant, I will proceed with the business ordered. What we have heard so far is totally disorderly and a serious abuse of the Order of Business.

Mrs. O'Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  Deputy Byrne is the backbencher of the year.

Mr. Cowen: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  Well done, Eric.

Mr. O'Dea: Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  Before I ask a question on promised legislation I want, on behalf of Fianna Fáil, to thank Deputy Eric Byrne for bringing this matter to our attention.

Is there contained in criminal justice legislation promised by the Government a proposal to amend the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act, 1990 to tighten up on the control and supply of illegal firearms which have wreaked havoc throughout the country?

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  The programme of legislation, which includes general and criminal justice legislation, may contain provisions of that nature, but until the legislation is approved by the Cabinet it is not possible to give details of its contents.

[342]Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  When is it proposed to bring forward legislation to give effect to the Government's proposals for the reorganisation of the health services? Will he ensure that these changes will provide for adequate services? Is he aware of the collapse of the emergency health services in the Western Health Board region, specifically Galway, where there is chaos?

Minister for Health (Mr. Noonan,: Information on Michael Noonan  Zoom on Michael Noonan  Limerick East): The Deputy did not do anything when he was a Minister.

The Taoiseach: Information on John Bruton  Zoom on John Bruton  I am glad the Progressive Democrats are interested in spending money in the health area. I assure them that all these problems will be dealt with effectively by the Minister for Health within his budget which, of course, would be much smaller if the advice of the party the Deputy represents were taken.

Deputy Molloy rose.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  Has the Deputy a separate matter to raise?

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  Is the Taoiseach aware that patients are left overnight on trolleys in the corridors of University College Hospital, Galway on a regular basis——

Mr. S. Barrett: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  That was in 1992 when the Deputy was in Government.

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  ——and that again last night 22 patients were left on trolleys overnight?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I must ask Deputy Molloy to raise that matter at the appropriate time. There are many ways open to him. He may not make a speech now.

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  I am sorry, a Cheann Comhairle. There is a serious crisis in the health service. I want the Taoiseach to know what is going on.

[343]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I will facilitate the Deputy in raising this matter at the appropriate time, but not now.

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  People are suffering night after night. The staff are not able to deal with the accident and emergency section of University College Hospital in Galway.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy will resume his seat.

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  This is not fair. This is a disgrace. Will the Taoiseach not make some response?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I must ask the Deputy to leave the House forthwith.

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  People are suffering night after night, lying on stretchers, and the Government is doing nothing about it.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I must now proceed to name the Deputy if he does not withdraw from the House.

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  A Cheann Comhairle——

(Interruptions.)

[344]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The Deputy leaves me no option but to name him. I must now ask that a motion be moved suspending Deputy Molloy from the service of this House.

Mr. Noonan: Information on Michael Noonan  Zoom on Michael Noonan  (Limerick East): The Deputy did nothing down there during his three years as Minister. He should apologise to the people of Galway for neglecting everything.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  I will desist from naming the Deputy on condition that he remains silent.

Mr. Molloy: Information on Robert Molloy  Zoom on Robert Molloy  Not on an issue of this kind, it is far too serious. This is a crisis and we are being ignored by the people who control the health services.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Treacy  Zoom on Seán Treacy  The motion should be moved.


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