Planning and Development Regulations: Motion (Resumed).

Wednesday, 29 June 2005

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 605 No. 4

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The following motion was moved today by the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government:

Mr. Morgan: Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  I was concluding my contribution on a reference to hot food. The Minister’s body language indicated that the regulations are not aimed at convenience outlets. At what are they aimed? Are they aimed at hamburger stalls? They are already well regulated by the environ[1121]mental health officers, HACCP and other arrangements.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  That does not arise.

Mr. Morgan: Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  I look forward to the Minister’s explanation on that. The other issue relates to off-licences. I am happy enough to see wine sold from a fridge in a corner of the store. How will the Minister be prescriptive about that? Can he keep it to a small scale? The issue relating to turf cutting is not unique to the midlands. We in County Louth have our own meadows, though I will not sing “The turfman from Ardee” for the Minister. Turf cutting continues to this day right up into the Cooley Mountains. I am concerned that small, individual plot-holders who cut turf for domestic use may be caught by the provisions and look forward to clarification on the matter.

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We should remember that regulations and by-laws on the use of four-wheel vehicles and quad bikes caught a number of sheep farmers, which was not the intention. Sheep farmers require quad bikes to travel on mountains for legitimate purposes and have no intention of damaging the hillside environment. I understand, therefore, the concerns of other speakers that domestic or small-scale commercial turf cutters will be caught by the regulations. The Minister’s body language tells me we should have no major worries in this area. I look forward to his response.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  I understand the Minister made certain references to the Green Party earlier. I wish it to be clear that the Green Party wanted the draft regulations to be discussed in the House to ensure they were considered in the open, that every Member who wished could contribute and that members of the public could attend. I am not sure the introduction of draft regulations in the Dáil on the last sitting week is a proper and fitting way to do business.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  We could have discussed it for hours in committee. I will address that in my response.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  I note also that the Minister remarked on my absence earlier. I have responsibility for two portfolios and have not yet mastered the art of bilocation. I hope the Minister will take account of that.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  I will let the Deputy away with it this time.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  It is very hard to absorb the substance of the three proposals for change in the short time available for their discussion. To the best of my knowledge, Members were not circulated with the full text of changes to the regulations and it was up to ourselves to seek them out. I acquired them only recently.

The red tape and bureaucracy surrounding the sale of alcohol is a complete mess and there is a [1122]real need for rationalisation between the planning and liquor licensing codes. I am not convinced that cobbling together provisions on off-licences will deal satisfactorily with the issues involved. I am not sure, for example, that alcohol should be available for sale at garage forecourts as it makes little sense to have shops attached to petrol stations which are bulging with alcohol. We are aware, after all, of the dangers of drinking and driving.

I wonder what submissions the Minister received on the matter being acutely aware that there seems to be a licensed vintners’ cumann within Fianna Fáil which has lobbied him very strongly over the last month.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Not on this. The Deputy should tell the truth.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  I would like to see any representations the Minister received from them or on their behalf.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  On regulations.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  The Deputy should not make up stories.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  It was very brazen. It was the licensed vintners within the Fianna Fáil Party who lobbied the Government on this issue quite recently.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  On this.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  On the generality of the intoxicating liquor issue.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  The Deputy should stick to the truth. They did not lobby on this issue.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  Consumers voted against the Government’s proposals.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  They were in a minority.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  They were there.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  But they were in a minority.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  Consumers are in a minority.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  I am not convinced consumers’ rights are being considered and am sure the Competition Authority will have something to say about it when it has had full sight of the regulations.

Peat must be acknowledged as a finite resource. The principle behind environmental impact assessment is to consider where there will be an impact on the environment. It makes sense to regulate peat extraction as we cannot continue with a slash and burn approach to finite resources. We must look carefully at saving such resources, especially in the context of the purchase by the Dutch and other governments of [1123]bogland for the Irish Government to hold in trust. It is indicative of their lack of confidence that the Government is doing enough on the issue. I am worried by the exemption of one of the largest peat extracting interests in the country, over which there is a significant question mark.

I cannot understand why the Minister is only partially incorporating the Aarhus directive in the regulation. Why is there a delay in incorporation in the context of provision for the right to challenge in a court of law public decisions which have been made without respect for environmental law? As such provisions are seminal to proper planning and development in the State, I am at a loss to understand why the Minister has failed to transpose the directive wholly and completely. My guess is that it is an example of a Government policy to make it more difficult for the public voice to be heard. The Government first charged members of the public €20 to make a planning submission, then prevented them from appealing a decision unless they had made a submission in the first instance and is now about to embark on a course of action which will deny individuals to make appeals by removing the opportunity for a second bite of the cherry. Such provisions do not serve the public interest.

Given the Minister’s pride in being a good European, I cannot understand why he pleads as his reason for introducing the regulation the probability of a daily fine by the EU. Fear of fines is not a good reason for the introduction of regulations.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  It is a fact, unfortunately.

Mr. Cuffe: Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  I hope the Minister can rise above it.

Ms C. Murphy: Information on Catherine Murphy  Zoom on Catherine Murphy  I received a note yesterday explaining the regulations. I understand changes in the Intoxicating Liquor Act 2000 which removed the restriction on the transfer of licences to any part of the State have led to the establishment of many off-licences in urban areas. Changes to establish necessary planning control over the significant increase in the number of large-scale off-licence premises and balance consumer interests are needed.

I represent a primarily urban constituency, much of the development of which is recent. While it is the kind of area in which one would expect to see new pubs, I have mainly seen new clubs, hotels and off-licences. This observation is relevant to the point which has been made about the way in which people circumvent the licensing laws in the development of new facilities. I have seen supermarkets and forecourts expand from the sale of wine to more extensive sale of all kinds of intoxicating liquor. One sees in these outlets rows of alcoholic products in response to public demand which in turn has responded to changes in pricing policies. In contrast to the scenario in the case of tobacco, it is clear that increases in excise duties have changed patterns of behaviour [1124]rather than reduced the level of alcohol consumption. One hears from taxi drivers that they regularly bring to discos people who are drunk before they leave their houses. A fundamental change in behaviour has taken place.

My aim is to establish the motivation behind the regulations. Is the intention to limit the number of off-licences or to respond to the aim of publicans to reduce competition, with which they clearly take issue? It is not at all clear that the regulations will modify behaviour as the fundamental issue in that context is price. If one’s aim was to modify behaviour, one would revisit the Intoxicating Liquor Act which caused the changes rather than make regulations. I cannot see how the regulations can be implemented in practice where, for example, an application is made to build a supermarket which can be licensed in a commercially-zoned area. It is very difficult to see how local authorities would turn that down, and if they do turn it down, how would An Bord Pleanála respond to that, given that the establishment is in a commercial zone? Will the regulations be accompanied by directions to local authorities? Will local authorities be issued with guidelines by the Department specifying what is required from them in terms of the number of off-licences that is desirable. I am not clear on how the regulations actually——

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  It is the opposite. It gives the local authorities the right. I will explain that.

Ms C. Murphy: Information on Catherine Murphy  Zoom on Catherine Murphy  I am not convinced it will solve the problem because although many things are regulated when people make a planning application they often end up getting permission. It will not stop every off-licence so which ones will be stopped and how many?

Kildare is an area with significant wetlands. I have a difficulty with what I perceive to be a reactive change rather than a proactive change, in that the regulation appears to be designed to avoid a fine rather than being based on a definite idea about how wetlands should develop. The one organisation that has had a positive role in getting us to value our bogs is the European Commission. I would hate to think that what we were trying to do is more or less to get around a sanction it is trying to impose for a very good reason. I am concerned about what will be the result of this. Too often we have seen situations where the likes of Bord na Móna has applied for cutaway bogs to be used as landfills. It appears that the only value put on wetlands is an economic one, rather than for their value as a distinctive habitat, from a tourism point of view or simply because they have existed for centuries before any of us arrived.

Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government (Mr. Roche): Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  I thank Members for their contributions. I wish to make a couple of points specifically on the manner in which this matter was handled. Deputy Gilmore [1125]disagreed with me regarding how this matter came before the House and not before the joint committee. I suggest he has a word with the Labour Party Whip. I want to put the matter straight.

The Government wanted this matter to be discussed at length in committee because that is the appropriate place to deal with a technical issue like this. Deputy Boyle objected and said he had issues he wanted discussed in the House, which he is entitled to do. Because there was no unanimity, the matter came to the House. The Labour Whip agreed with Deputy Boyle’s point. Those are the facts.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  That is a load of nonsense. The Government orders the business of the House.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Deputy Gilmore knows he is not telling the truth.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  There are 17 guillotines this week.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  The Minister should discuss the real issues. He should answer our questions.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  The Minister should be allowed to speak without interruption. There is only five minutes remaining for this debate.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  I am telling the truth and Deputy Gilmore is misleading the House.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  I am not misleading the House. I made a political charge and I stand over it.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Deputy Gilmore made an allegation that was false.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  I made a political charge.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  The Minister should be allowed to speak without interruption.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Deputy Gilmore is repeating his false allegation. The reality is that last week at the Whips meeting Deputy Boyle indicated he wanted this matter discussed in the House. He did not speak to me about that and Deputy Gilmore’s Whip agreed with him. On the basis that there was no unanimity, it came before the House. The Deputy should not tell this House something that is a pack of——

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Since when is unanimity required to bring something before the House.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  The reality is that Deputy Gilmore has misinformed the House in this context.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The Minister is using this as a distraction because he is trying to stop people from cutting turf.

[1126]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  The Minister should be allowed to speak without interruption.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  I was going to suggest what Deputy Gilmore said was probably inadvertent but obviously it was not, as he said himself, it was just a political charge. I am telling the House the truth. Deputy Boyle disagreed with it going to the committee, which he is entitled to do and Deputy Gilmore’s party agreed with that. That is the reality. Deputy Gilmore appears to be besotted with conspiracy theories — perhaps the first sign of a man who has entered into some form of mid-life crisis——

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  The Minister is well past it.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  ——as his delusory meanderings in this regard have displaced all logic. Alternatively — I hope this is the case — he is a man who has spent far too much time in the sun without the benefit of his pit helmet.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Bluster.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Whatever the explanation of Deputy Gilmore’s wild-eyed delusions in this matter, the fact remains that the Government wanted to deal with this matter in an Oireachtas committee, not least to give Members from all sides of the House the opportunity to explore — as Deputy Catherine Murphy tried to do — their concerns on the issue.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The Minister wants to stop people in rural Ireland cutting turf off their own bogs.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  The reality is that he is guilty of misleading the House and making wild allegations.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  The Minister is guilty of talking rubbish.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  I am sad that the propensity of the Opposition to seek to make a political football out of everything has now started to displace all logic. This has resulted in the worst manner of handling this issue. This matter could have been before a committee. I was anxious and willing to go before the committee. I wanted to go before the committee and was prepared to give this matter hours of debate before——

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The Minister has still not answered a single question.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  ——the committee and the reality is that Deputy Gilmore prevented it.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  The Minister is talking out his time. He is confused.

[1127]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  The Minister should be allowed to speak without interruption.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Let us move to the issues. I am not confused but Deputy Gilmore is misleading the House. He is doing a disservice to democracy when he says one thing in the secrecy of the Whips committee and another thing in public here.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  I think we are getting through to the Minister.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  I will not allow that to happen. Let us deal with the issues. Deputy O’Dowd disagreed with my proposal to introduce planning applications for off-licences. I am amazed at his position on that. To return to the point made by Deputy Catherine Murphy, under the existing legislation, planning permission is required for one to open a chipper but it is not required for an off-licence. I do not know where other Members are coming from but I think that is a bizarre situation.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  The wine shops that are all over the country do not need planning permission. That is the point.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  In any town in the country one will get complaints about the proliferation of off-licences.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  One has to go to court to make an objection.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Deputy O’Dowd can try and shout me down but he will not get away with it.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  I am not shouting the Minister down. I am giving him an answer.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  What is being done here is to give local authorities and local communities a right to have a say in where an off-licence is established.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  But not where alcohol is being sold, that is the point.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Deputy O’Dowd is introducing yet another false trail.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  No, I am not.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  His party has been holding anti-social behaviour meetings around the country with varying levels of success. There was a very low turnout in one case but I will not embarrass him on that. Maybe the next time he is holding one of these he will explain to voters why he wants off-licences to be able to operate on an untrammelled basis here.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  I never said that.

[1128]Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  It is a serious matter. There is a lacuna in the law and I have argued for many years that we should have planning permission and that is part of the intention of this regulation.

Deputies Gilmore and Morgan raised the issue of hotplates in garages. The regulations do not refer to this matter. They were dealt with as far back as the 2001 regulations.

On the issue of the single application form, Deputy O’Dowd is unaware that draft regulations were circulated——

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  What about the turf?

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Let me get to the points as they were made. Draft regulations were circulated. There was a great response, some of which were very detailed. We are working through that issue in the Department. I expect to be in a position to publish the new regulations later in the summer.

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  That is what Deputy Mitchell referred to.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  At that stage, maybe we will have a logical debate on them in committee. I mentioned this in the Oireachtas committee the week before last, I will also publish draft and management guidelines relating to planning to ensure consistency in planning authorities.

That I am bringing forward this legislation on peat extraction, demonstrates my willingness to meet the European Commission’s concerns on Ireland’s performance in the environmental area, a point touched on by Deputy Cuffe. This change in natural heritage areas, NHAs, will meet the outstanding concerns of the EU Commission and the Court of Justice. Deputy Gilmore asked what has changed. The reality is that the Commission has been in continuous contact with us on this issue. It is anxious that we should ensure that planning authorities have the possibility of stepping in to halt industrial scale peat extraction where that is necessary. I remind Deputies that we are talking about peat extraction in excess of 10 hectares, which is 24.71 acres. That is certainly not a year’s supply for a farmer.

Deputy Naughten raised the issue of forestry, which is not dealt with in these regulations. Telecommunications masts were dealt with by Deputy Gilmore, who again shows signs of senility in this matter, because these issues were dealt with in the 2001 regulations and discussed at some length. I contributed to the discussions. As a spokesman on environmental policy I am amazed that Deputy Gilmore appears not to be aware that masts now require planning permission. Matters like this——

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Except where the State agencies think they are exempt.

[1129]Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Do not come back at it now. Deputy Gilmore is caught out.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  The Minister should be allowed to speak without interruption.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  The Deputy has been caught out and has shown himself to be incapable yet again.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  The time has concluded.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  The reality is that we should have this type of discussion——

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  The Minister is headless. He should go out to the bog and dig.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  ——in an Oireachtas committee. Two of the parties in this House conspired to ensure it would not happen. Deputy Gilmore has made wild-eyed, delusionary assertions that, somehow or other, I managed to persuade Deputies Boyle and Stagg——

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  One will not need planning permission to cut turf.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  That is correct, one does not and one will not.

[1130]Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Will an environmental impact assessment be required?

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Members should keep to the truth and the facts. As I stated, this is not as Deputy Gilmore wishes.

Mr. Naughten: Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Local authority offices will have a field day.

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  We have an illustration of how Deputy Gilmore will operate from now on, that is, by distorting the truth, telling the first fable that comes into his mind, being delusionary and denying the reality.

(Interruptions).

Mr. Roche: Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  The reality is that after Deputy Boyle raised a question, he——

Mr. O’Dowd: Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  That is the programme for Government.

Mr. Naughten: Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  That is the programme for Government.

Mr. Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The Minister will hear a lot more about this before the year is out.

Question put.

[1129]The Dáil divided: Tá, 69; Níl, 61.

Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael. Information on Noel Ahern  Zoom on Noel Ahern  Ahern, Noel.
Information on Barry Andrews  Zoom on Barry Andrews  Andrews, Barry. Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán.
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Information on Martin Brady  Zoom on Martin Brady  Brady, Martin. Information on Seamus Brennan  Zoom on Seamus Brennan  Brennan, Seamus.
Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John. Information on Joe Callanan  Zoom on Joe Callanan  Callanan, Joe.
Information on Ivor Callely  Zoom on Ivor Callely  Callely, Ivor. Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat.
Information on John Carty  Zoom on John Carty  Carty, John. Information on Donie Cassidy  Zoom on Donie Cassidy  Cassidy, Donie.
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Information on Noel Davern  Zoom on Noel Davern  Davern, Noel. Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel.
Information on John Dennehy  Zoom on John Dennehy  Dennehy, John. Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy.
Information on John Ellis  Zoom on John Ellis  Ellis, John. Information on Frank Fahey  Zoom on Frank Fahey  Fahey, Frank.
Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael. Information on Dermot Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Dermot Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán. Information on Mildred Fox  Zoom on Mildred Fox  Fox, Mildred.
Information on Pat the Cope Gallagher  Zoom on Pat the Cope Gallagher  Gallagher, Pat The Cope. Information on Jim Glennon  Zoom on Jim Glennon  Glennon, Jim.
Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel. Information on Mary Hanafin  Zoom on Mary Hanafin  Hanafin, Mary.
Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán. Information on Jackie Healy-Rae  Zoom on Jackie Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Jackie.
Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  Hoctor, Máire. Information on Cecilia Keaveney  Zoom on Cecilia Keaveney  Keaveney, Cecilia.
Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy. Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter.
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Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel. Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt.
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Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Allen, Bernard. Information on Dan Boyle  Zoom on Dan Boyle  Boyle, Dan.
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[1131]Tellers: Tá, Deputies Browne and Kelleher; Níl, Deputies Kehoe and Stagg.

[1131]Question declared carried.


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