Order of Business.

Wednesday, 7 June 2006

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 621 No. 84

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The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  It is proposed to take No. 19, Planning and Development (Strategic Infrastructure) Bill 2006 [Seanad] — Second Stage, resumed; and No. 1, Criminal Justice (Mutual Assistance) Bill 2005 [Seanad] — Second Stage. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that Private Members’ business shall be No. 29, Greyhound Industry (Doping Regulation) Bill 2006 — Second Stage, which shall also take place tomorrow immediately after the Order of Business and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes on that day.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  There is one proposal to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with Private Members’ business agreed?

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  It is not agreed. While I have no objection per se to the Fine Gael Private Members’ business, the Taoiseach’s almost singular reliance in his responses this afternoon to questions from Opposition spokespersons regarding the recent decisions of the Supreme Court and the passage of legislation last Friday that the all-party group proposed by the Minister, which may prove a valuable vehicle——

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  That is not relevant to the Order of Business.

  6 o’clock

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  It is relevant because I am objecting to the Order of Business. I object for the precise reason that kicking to touch in terms of the all-party group and refusing to address the substantive issue on the floor of this House is a singular and particular failure on the part of this Government in ordering business for this week. It is unacceptable that the Dáil should sit this week and not debate the issues that directly arise from the Supreme Court judgments and the legislation that was rushed through last Friday. It is beyond belief that the stop-gap legislation——

[157]An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  We cannot discuss legislation.

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  I am not discussing it. I am stating clearly that there is a bounden responsibility on this House this week to give leadership and initiate the necessary debate on all the issues——

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  I ask Deputy Ó Caoláin to address the question before the House, namely, whether the proposal for dealing with Private Members’ business is agreed.

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  No, the proposal is about the entirety of the Order of Business.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  No, it is not. The proposal concerns Private Members’ business.

[158]Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  I am objecting to the failure to take into account the need for a debate in this House. I demand that the Taoiseach and the Chief Whip order the business to be presented to this House in such a way as to allow the opportunity today or tomorrow not only to set in train the necessary debate within this House but to give leadership in terms of the wider debate and consultation that must take place.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  The Deputy is not in order. The Chair is putting the question.

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  It is absolutely outrageous.

Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with Private Members’ business be agreed.”

[157]The Dáil divided: Tá, 66; Níl, 11.

Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Ahern, Bertie. Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael.
Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán. Information on Niall Blaney  Zoom on Niall Blaney  Blaney, Niall.
Information on Johnny Brady  Zoom on Johnny Brady  Brady, Johnny. Information on Martin Brady  Zoom on Martin Brady  Brady, Martin.
Information on James Breen  Zoom on James Breen  Breen, James. Information on Seamus Brennan  Zoom on Seamus Brennan  Brennan, Seamus.
Information on Ivor Callely  Zoom on Ivor Callely  Callely, Ivor. Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat.
Information on John Carty  Zoom on John Carty  Carty, John. Information on Michael Collins  Zoom on Michael Collins  Collins, Michael.
Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Coughlan, Mary. Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Cregan, John.
Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  Cullen, Martin. Information on John Curran  Zoom on John Curran  Curran, John.
Information on Noel Davern  Zoom on Noel Davern  Davern, Noel. Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel.
Information on Tony Dempsey  Zoom on Tony Dempsey  Dempsey, Tony. Information on John Dennehy  Zoom on John Dennehy  Dennehy, John.
Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy. Information on John Ellis  Zoom on John Ellis  Ellis, John.
Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael. Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán.
Information on Pat the Cope Gallagher  Zoom on Pat the Cope Gallagher  Gallagher, Pat The Cope. Information on Jim Glennon  Zoom on Jim Glennon  Glennon, Jim.
Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel. Information on Mary Hanafin  Zoom on Mary Hanafin  Hanafin, Mary.
Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán. Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  Hoctor, Máire.
Information on Joe Jacob  Zoom on Joe Jacob  Jacob, Joe. Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy.
Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter. Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Kirk, Seamus.
Information on Tom Kitt  Zoom on Tom Kitt  Kitt, Tom. Information on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Zoom on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Lenihan, Brian.
Information on Michael McDowell  Zoom on Michael McDowell  McDowell, Michael. Information on Tom McEllistrim  Zoom on Tom McEllistrim  McEllistrim, Thomas.
Information on John McGuinness  Zoom on John McGuinness  McGuinness, John. Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Martin, Micheál.
Information on John Moloney  Zoom on John Moloney  Moloney, John. Information on Donal Moynihan  Zoom on Donal Moynihan  Moynihan, Donal.
Information on Michael Moynihan  Zoom on Michael Moynihan  Moynihan, Michael. Information on Michael Mulcahy  Zoom on Michael Mulcahy  Mulcahy, Michael.
Information on M. J. Nolan  Zoom on M. J. Nolan  Nolan, M. J. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  O’Connor, Charlie. Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O’Dea, Willie.
Information on Liz O'Donnell  Zoom on Liz O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Liz. Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  O’Donoghue, John.
Information on Dennis O'Donovan  Zoom on Dennis O'Donovan  O’Donovan, Denis. Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel.
Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt. Information on Ned O'Keeffe  Zoom on Ned O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Ned.
Information on Fiona O'Malley  Zoom on Fiona O'Malley  O’Malley, Fiona. Information on Tim O'Malley  Zoom on Tim O'Malley  O’Malley, Tim.
Information on Tom Parlon  Zoom on Tom Parlon  Parlon, Tom. Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Power, Seán.
Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Roche, Dick. Information on Mae Sexton  Zoom on Mae Sexton  Sexton, Mae.
Information on Michael Smith  Zoom on Michael Smith  Smith, Michael. Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Treacy, Noel.
Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary. Information on Ollie Wilkinson  Zoom on Ollie Wilkinson  Wilkinson, Ollie.
Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael. Information on G. V. Wright  Zoom on G. V. Wright  Wright, G. V.



[157]Níl
Information on Paudge Connolly  Zoom on Paudge Connolly  Connolly, Paudge. Information on Jerry Cowley  Zoom on Jerry Cowley  Cowley, Jerry.
Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  Ferris, Martin. Information on Tony Gregory  Zoom on Tony Gregory  Gregory, Tony.
Information on Marian Harkin  Zoom on Marian Harkin  Harkin, Marian. Information on Seamus Healy  Zoom on Seamus Healy  Healy, Seamus.
Information on Joe Higgins  Zoom on Joe Higgins  Higgins, Joe. Information on Finian McGrath  Zoom on Finian McGrath  McGrath, Finian.
Information on Catherine Murphy  Zoom on Catherine Murphy  Murphy, Catherine. Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.  

[157]Tellers: Tá, Deputies Kitt and Kelleher; Níl, Deputies Ó Snodaigh and F. McGrath.

[159]Question declared carried.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  I wish to inform the House that I have allowed a private notice question to the Minister for Foreign Affairs, which will take place after matters arising from the Order of Business. However, the debate on it must conclude before Private Members’ time at 7 p.m.

Mr. Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  In its programme for Government, the Government indicated that the maximum waiting time for a referral to a consultant would be three months, while the maximum waiting time for a procedure would be six months. No effort has been made to deliver on that commitment. When will the eligibility for health and personal social services Bill be published?

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Next year.

Mr. Bruton: Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Another year of waiting.

Mr. Stanton: Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  The Taoiseach announced the provision of a new rapporteur for child protection. Will this be put on a statutory basis? Does it require legislation?

The Minister for Social and Family Affairs has referred to legislation to change the cohabitation rule for lone parents. Will that legislation be brought before the House before Christmas?

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  The legislation on lone parents will be brought before the House before Christmas. I do not think the provision of a rapporteur will require legislation. However, we must obtain advice on the best way to proceed.

Mr. Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Following the Taoiseach’s decision to refer the issues arising from the Supreme Court ruling to an all-party Oireachtas committee, is it his intention to refer them to an existing committee, such as the Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women’s Rights? Has any decision been made on the terms of reference for the committee?

What is the current position on the broadcasting Bill?

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  The broadcasting Bill will be published this year. I have an open mind about the all-party committee. However, it might be best to establish a new committee.

Mr. Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Will Members be given draft or completed terms of reference to consider before they are referred to Cabinet?

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  The Cabinet will discuss the terms, but I will provide the committee with draft terms of reference.

Mr. Howlin: Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Will they be amendable?

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Yes.

[160]Mr. Sargent: Information on Trevor Sargent  Zoom on Trevor Sargent  I wish to highlight the concerns of the Children’s Rights Alliance, Rape Crisis Network Ireland and the Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children. Defects in the register for sex offenders have been highlighted and there is a need for a properly resourced monitoring registration system. However, there is still no indicated date for the publication of such legislation, about which we continually ask. It is surely untenable at this stage for the Taoiseach to feign interest in child protection and not set a date for the publication of a register of persons considered unsafe to work with children. There seems to be an impediment to this, which, for some bizarre reason, does not exist north of the Border. Can the Taoiseach expedite that matter? This promised legislation is long awaited and urgently needed.

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  There is a North-South Ministerial Council dimension to this issue. However, I asked the Minister of State, Deputy Brian Lenihan, to try to find a way to circumvent it. The Departments of Education and Science and Health and Children are examining this matter. They are considering the establishment of a pre-employment consultancy service and the Minister of State is trying to provide for that.

Ms O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  The Minister for Education and Science announced in today’s newspapers that the vocational education committees will deal with third level grants. Will the third level student support Bill, which is on the list of proposed legislation, incorporate this decision? When will that Bill be published? There were suggestions that means testing might be changed and I would like to know if it is part of the same Bill.

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  The legislation is due later this year. However, it will not be ready by September.

Mr. Connolly: Information on Paudge Connolly  Zoom on Paudge Connolly  We have a €10 million deficit in the north-east region of the Health Service Executive and this has an implication for the two most vulnerable groups, namely, those suffering from cancer and those in need of dialysis.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  Does the Deputy have a question on legislation?

Mr. Connolly: Information on Paudge Connolly  Zoom on Paudge Connolly  This relates to legislation. I want to outline why I am asking the question——

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  The Deputy does not need to do so.

Mr. Connolly: Information on Paudge Connolly  Zoom on Paudge Connolly  ——and the difficulties we are experiencing in the north east. We are pursuing the easiest targets and I cannot accept that. We are short of money and we target those suffering from cancer and those in need of dialysis. The north-east region of the Health Service Executive is the most underfunded in the country and we [161]are now seeing the fruits of that. We have one of the fastest growing populations in the country.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  The Deputy is out of order.

Mr. Connolly: Information on Paudge Connolly  Zoom on Paudge Connolly  I want to know when the eligibility for health and personal social services Bill will come before the House.

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  I answered that question two minutes ago.

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Will legislation be required to establish an office of child protection rapporteur? Are amendments expected to the Ombudsman for Children Act 2002 as a consequence?

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  I answered that three minutes ago. I do not think we need to amend that Act but we must examine the required procedure.

Mr. Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Is there any possibility of an open debate in the House to ascertain who is in charge of the health service? This is extremely important to the people of Cavan and Monaghan. Different messages are being sent out by the Health Service Executive every day. We are now being told that those with cancer and those in need of dialysis are no longer entitled to services. When will the Taoiseach make time available for a full discussion on who is responsible for the health service?

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  The Deputy does not have a question on legislation.

Mr. Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  I only want an answer.

Dr. Cowley: Information on Jerry Cowley  Zoom on Jerry Cowley  I would also like to voice my protest on what is happening in the north east. A second consultant oncologist is being refused for the area. What is more basic than that? There is a great need for this service, yet the Government is denying cancer patients a very essential service.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  There are other ways to raise this issue.

Dr. Cowley: Information on Jerry Cowley  Zoom on Jerry Cowley  It is the same across the board for many other services for vulnerable people, such as hospice care. It is a disgrace and the position should be examined.

Mr. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  When the Taoiseach visited the US, it was reported that the US intelligence services had sought access to e-mail and text transmissions in this country. Will the relevant legislation, namely, the electronic communications (miscellaneous provisions) Bill, take account of that?

[162]An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  What is contained in the Bill is not a matter for the Order of Business.

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  This session.

Mr. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Will it be against that background? Was it mentioned to the Taoiseach?

Mr. McDowell: Information on Michael McDowell  Zoom on Michael McDowell  They are on to Deputy Durkan.

Mr. Costello: Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Regarding the National Children’s Hospital, I am sure the Taoiseach is aware of the recommendation of the task group to locate the latter on the Mater site. Has that recommendation been approved or will it go before the Cabinet tomorrow? Where is the legislation necessary to implement the recommendation?

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: Information on Séamus Pattison  Zoom on Séamus Pattison  The Taoiseach on the promised legislation.

The Taoiseach: Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  There is no promised legislation.

Mr. Costello: Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  I understand that legislation is required but none is promised.


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