Order of Business.

Friday, 10 July 2009

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 687 No. 6

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The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The Order of Business is No. b11, motion re Mandela day, No. c11, motion re membership of committees; No. 23, Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009 — Committee and Remaining Stages (resumed); No. 5, Public Health (Tobacco) (Amendment) Bill 2009 — Second and Remaining Stages; and No. 1a, Enforcement of Court Orders (Amendment) Bill 2009 [Seanad] — Second and Remaining Stages.

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that Nos. b11 and c11 shall be decided without debate. The proceedings on the Committee and Remaining Stages of No. 23 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 1.30 p.m. today by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall include only those amendments set down or accepted by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

Second and Remaining Stages of No. 5 shall be taken today and the proceedings on Second Stage shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 4 p.m. today and the proceedings on the Committee and Remaining Stages shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 5 p.m. today by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall include only those amendments set down or accepted by the Minister for Health and Children.

The proceedings on Second Stage of No. 1a shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 7.30 p.m. tonight and the proceedings on the Committee and Remaining Stages shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 9 p.m. tonight by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall include only those amendments set down or accepted by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

The Dáil on its rising today shall adjourn until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 16 September 2009.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  There are five proposals to put to the House today. Is the proposal for dealing with Nos. b11 and c11 agreed?

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I agree with these.

I am glad to see Ambassador Jana from South Africa in the House. No. b11 is a simple motion for the recognition of Mandela day, which is based on a request from President Zuma of South Africa, and we respect that request. Nelson Mandela was an international icon of persistence, dedication, truth and equality. We fully support No. b11 and it might have been [656]preferable to have had an opportunity to have a real debate next week on the contribution to international peace made by Nelson Mandela.

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I respect what Deputy Kenny has stated but I must remind Members that if an item is agreed we do not have a discussion on it. This is an exception.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  As a former secretary of the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement in Ireland, we need to remember that Mandela moved from being a prisoner of conscience for more than 20 years to being a light to the world. The Labour Party is delighted to celebrate today and we recognise the presence of the South African Ambassador.

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

Deputy Michael D. Higgins: Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Well said.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  I am happy to make one small amendment to the earlier remarks of Deputy Kenny; former President Mandela “is” an international icon and that is something we have every right to celebrate also.

I welcome the fact that the motion before the House has been signed off by the representative spokespersons of all parties in the Chamber. It is a unanimous proposition deserving of unanimous endorsement consequently.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Exceptionally, the Tánaiste might wish to say a few words.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  As an exception.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  As an exception to the exception.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  No, as an exception.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I reiterate the welcome to the ambassador. I am delighted to see we are d’aon ghuth mar gheall ar seo. We are of one voice in taking the global call, which is to inspire people from every corner of the earth to embrace Nelson Mandela’s values as they seek to improve their lives through service to their communities. They are values to which we would aspire and we are delighted to be in a position to celebrate on that day.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Is the proposal for dealing with No. 23 agreed?

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The Ceann Comhairle knows it is not agreed. Amendment No. 4 of 43 is being discussed at present and some of the amendments tabled have very serious import. Yesterday, I made the point that the guillotine has been used on 18 Bills out of 21 in the final four weeks of this session and four of those Bills have potential constitutional implications, namely, the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill, the Defamation Bill, the Twenty-Eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty of Lisbon) Bill and the Criminal Justice (Surveillance) Bill.

This is obviously difficult because people are outraged at what is happening on the streets in some of our towns and cities. At the same time, there is a need for this legislature to be able to debate thoroughly the amendments involved. The House should sit next week to deal with this matter. I oppose the guillotining of the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill in the way [657]proposed by the Government. It is much too serious to be just one of 18 Bills rammed through by guillotine in the final four weeks of the session.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  As the House knows, the Bill is born out of the “something must be done” school of law-making. We have reached section 7 in the debate and it is unconscionable that the Minister would want to push through the entire legislation by 1.30 p.m. today. It has at least three very controversial dimensions. Even from the point of view of wanting to make secure whatever ultimately comes through the Oireachtas, the Bill needs to be subjected to considerably more scrutiny than is permitted between now and 1.30 p.m. I ask the Minister to agree that it be referred to select committee and that we resume it as soon as the House resumes in September.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  The Sinn Féin Deputies do not agree to the taking of the Bill at all and, as for the guillotine, it clearly is a further impediment to proper scrutiny and debate in the Chamber. The Bill has huge implications for the rights of all citizens and I emphasise the word “all”. It is critical we realise this for the sake of justice and the rule of law in the State. Fundamental changes in the legal code that have constitutional implications are being provided for in the legislation in a matter of a few hours, with the conclusion of Committee, Report and Final Stages by 1.30 p.m. today. The legislation has the potential to be challenged constitutionally and, sadly, will prove to be a false hope for victims of gangland crime. What we need is to guarantee we have proper policing and investigation and ensure we have sound convictions in order to address these serious challenges in society. We are all of one mind that this needs to be done. What is happening with regard to the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill is, sadly, not the answer to all of that.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  There has been considered debate on the legislation. More than 11 hours have been provided for the consideration of the legislation and it will be given further consideration in the Upper House. Recently, I read through the transcripts covering a situation where we considered the immediacy and necessity of introducing legislation such as this. It would be a dereliction of our duty if, for example, we allowed something happen between now and the return of the House, because a person can be charged only under the legislation that has been enacted at the time. If we want to see the activation of this legislation along with the Criminal Justice (Surveillance) Bill to deal with these issues, it is prudent the House considers and passes it today.

Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with No. 23, Committee and Remaining Stages of the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009 be agreed to.”

The Dáil divided: Tá, 76; Níl, 61.

Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Ahern, Bertie. Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Ahern, Dermot.
Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael. Information on Noel Ahern  Zoom on Noel Ahern  Ahern, Noel.
Information on Barry Andrews  Zoom on Barry Andrews  Andrews, Barry. Information on Chris Andrews  Zoom on Chris Andrews  Andrews, Chris.
Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán. Information on Bobby Aylward  Zoom on Bobby Aylward  Aylward, Bobby.
Information on Joe Behan  Zoom on Joe Behan  Behan, Joe. Information on Niall Blaney  Zoom on Niall Blaney  Blaney, Niall.
Information on Aine Brady  Zoom on Aine Brady  Brady, Áine. Information on Cyprian Brady  Zoom on Cyprian Brady  Brady, Cyprian.
Information on Johnny Brady  Zoom on Johnny Brady  Brady, Johnny. Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John.
Information on Thomas Byrne  Zoom on Thomas Byrne  Byrne, Thomas. Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara.
Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat. Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall.
Information on Margaret Conlon  Zoom on Margaret Conlon  Conlon, Margaret. Information on Sean Connick  Zoom on Sean Connick  Connick, Seán.
Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Coughlan, Mary. Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Cregan, John.
Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  Cuffe, Ciarán. Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  Cullen, Martin.
Information on John Curran  Zoom on John Curran  Curran, John. Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel.
Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy. Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Dooley, Timmy.
Information on Frank Fahey  Zoom on Frank Fahey  Fahey, Frank. Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael.
Information on Michael Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Michael Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Michael. Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán.
Information on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Zoom on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Gogarty, Paul. Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Gormley, John.
Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel. Information on Mary Hanafin  Zoom on Mary Hanafin  Hanafin, Mary.
Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán. Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  Hoctor, Máire.
Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy. Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter.
Information on Brendan Kenneally  Zoom on Brendan Kenneally  Kenneally, Brendan. Information on Michael Kennedy  Zoom on Michael Kennedy  Kennedy, Michael.
Information on Tony Killeen  Zoom on Tony Killeen  Killeen, Tony. Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Kirk, Seamus.
Information on Michael Kitt  Zoom on Michael Kitt  Kitt, Michael P. Information on Tom Kitt  Zoom on Tom Kitt  Kitt, Tom.
Information on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Zoom on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Lenihan, Brian. Information on Conor Lenihan  Zoom on Conor Lenihan  Lenihan, Conor.
Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael. Information on Tom McEllistrim  Zoom on Tom McEllistrim  McEllistrim, Thomas.
Information on Finian McGrath  Zoom on Finian McGrath  McGrath, Finian. Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie.
Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael. Information on John McGuinness  Zoom on John McGuinness  McGuinness, John.
Information on John Moloney  Zoom on John Moloney  Moloney, John. Information on Michael Mulcahy  Zoom on Michael Mulcahy  Mulcahy, Michael.
Information on M. J. Nolan  Zoom on M. J. Nolan  Nolan, M.J. Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon.
Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán. Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  O’Connor, Charlie.
Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O’Dea, Willie. Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel.
Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  O’Hanlon, Rory. Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt.
Information on Ned O'Keeffe  Zoom on Ned O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Edward. Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  O’Rourke, Mary.
Information on Christy O'Sullivan  Zoom on Christy O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Christy. Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Power, Seán.
Information on Eamon Ryan  Zoom on Eamon Ryan  Ryan, Eamon. Information on Trevor Sargent  Zoom on Trevor Sargent  Sargent, Trevor.
Information on Eamon Scanlon  Zoom on Eamon Scanlon  Scanlon, Eamon. Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan.
Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Treacy, Noel. Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary.
Information on Mary Alexandra White  Zoom on Mary Alexandra White  White, Mary Alexandra. Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael.



Níl
Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Allen, Bernard. Information on James Bannon  Zoom on James Bannon  Bannon, James.
Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Barrett, Seán. Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat.
Information on Thomas P. Broughan  Zoom on Thomas P. Broughan  Broughan, Thomas P. Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard.
Information on Ulick Burke  Zoom on Ulick Burke  Burke, Ulick. Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan.
Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe. Information on Deirdre Clune  Zoom on Deirdre Clune  Clune, Deirdre.
Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul. Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Crawford, Seymour.
Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael. Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Olwyn Enright  Zoom on Olwyn Enright  Enright, Olwyn.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles.
Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  Flanagan, Terence. Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Gilmore, Eamon.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Higgins, Michael D.
Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil. Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan.
Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul. Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Kenny, Enda.
Zoom on George Lee  Lee, George. Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán.
Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen. Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  McCormack, Pádraic.
Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane. Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe.
Information on Liz McManus  Zoom on Liz McManus  McManus, Liz. Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  Morgan, Arthur.
Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis. Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan.
Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín. Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Kieran. Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus.
Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O’Mahony, John. Information on Brian O'Shea  Zoom on Brian O'Shea  O’Shea, Brian.
Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan. Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Maureen.
Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Penrose, Willie. Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John.
Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí. Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.
Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  Reilly, James. Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Sheahan, Tom.
Information on P. J. Sheehan  Zoom on P. J. Sheehan  Sheehan, P.J. Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Seán.
Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín. Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet.
Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David. Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy.
Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna. Information on Mary Upton  Zoom on Mary Upton  Upton, Mary.
Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.  

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Pat Carey and John Cregan; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg

Question declared carried.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Is the proposal for dealing with No. 5, Second and Remaining Stages of the Public Health (Tobacco) (Amendment) Bill 2009, agreed?

[659]Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  Are we on No. 5?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I am on No. 5 but I have not read it yet.

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  I am sorry.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  It is better to be too early than too late.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  It is female telepathy. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 5, Second and Remaining Stages of the Public Health (Tobacco) (Amendment) Bill 2009, agreed?

  11 o’clock

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Deputy James Reilly has informed me that the consequences of this Bill include the fact that while retailers may be in breach of the law in respect of the display of cigarettes, there is a writing-down of the penalty in a number of areas. He does not object to that. However, can I have confirmation that this does not include the sale of cigarettes to minors? I am informed that inherent in this Bill is the provision that if cigarettes are sold to minors the normal flexibility of the law should not apply. When the then Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Micheál Martin, introduced the smoking ban it was introduced on the basis of being a health issue and got support from all over the country. One cannot and should not pass a law that allows for a deliberate easing of the law where minors are concerned.

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  I apologise for being too early, but in this House it is better to be too early than too late.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  That has been my experience as well.

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  What Deputy Kenny said indicates that we should not take all Stages of this Bill today. I understand there has been consultation with shopkeepers on the legislation, but not with organisations such as the Irish Cancer Society and the Irish Heart Foundation, who are concerned about its public health elements. We need to have time between Second Stage and Remaining Stages to have such consultation and tease out the kind of issues Deputy Kenny raised. The legislation we are being asked to amend has only recently come into force and we are already producing a Bill to amend it. The guillotine is not acceptable.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  I wish to oppose the guillotine. We have received——

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  We must have order while Deputy Ó Caoláin is speaking.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  ——written concerns from a number of organisations, including NGOs working in the area of cancer and ASH, and all these concerns have been received only in past 24 hours. It is very important that adequate time is given to consider all the elements of the Bill and the guillotine will, quite simply, curtail that opportunity. I ask that it be lifted and we continue our work throughout the evening if necessary.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Reading through the main provisions of the Bill, it refers specifically to the issue of retailers. Sections 3 and 5, to which the Leader of the Opposition has referred, contain the judicial discretion aspect. The provision in the Bill is for a 90 day removal from the retail register of advertising.

[660]Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  We should have extra time to debate this rather than doing it on the hoof.

Deputy Martin Cullen: Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  We will go out and have a fag.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  We do not have the time for that.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Famous last words.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  There will be three and a half hours of discussion on this matter.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  On or off the hoof, Deputy Stagg, there cannot be a debate on it now.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Exactly.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  The Government cocked up the first one and is making a hames of it now.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  To deal with the proposal, Tánaiste.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  As the Ceann Comhairle is aware, on the issue of reform it is sometimes difficult to let go. On the issue of the guillotine, there will be more than three and a half hours to discuss the legislation. This is an amendment to the Public Health (Tobacco) Bill following consultation and a lot of deliberation involving many Members of the Houses of the Oireachtas as well as people outside, who were very anxious that the legislation would be introduced.

Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with No. 5 be agreed to.”

The Dáil divided: Tá, 72; Níl, 64.

Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Ahern, Bertie. Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Ahern, Dermot.
Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael. Information on Noel Ahern  Zoom on Noel Ahern  Ahern, Noel.
Information on Barry Andrews  Zoom on Barry Andrews  Andrews, Barry. Information on Chris Andrews  Zoom on Chris Andrews  Andrews, Chris.
Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán. Information on Bobby Aylward  Zoom on Bobby Aylward  Aylward, Bobby.
Information on Niall Blaney  Zoom on Niall Blaney  Blaney, Niall. Information on Aine Brady  Zoom on Aine Brady  Brady, Áine.
Information on Cyprian Brady  Zoom on Cyprian Brady  Brady, Cyprian. Information on Johnny Brady  Zoom on Johnny Brady  Brady, Johnny.
Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John. Information on Thomas Byrne  Zoom on Thomas Byrne  Byrne, Thomas.
Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara. Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat.
Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall. Information on Margaret Conlon  Zoom on Margaret Conlon  Conlon, Margaret.
Information on Sean Connick  Zoom on Sean Connick  Connick, Seán. Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Coughlan, Mary.
Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Cregan, John. Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  Cuffe, Ciarán.
Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  Cullen, Martin. Information on John Curran  Zoom on John Curran  Curran, John.
Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel. Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy.
Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Dooley, Timmy. Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael.
Information on Michael Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Michael Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Michael. Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán.
Information on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Zoom on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Gogarty, Paul. Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Gormley, John.
Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel. Information on Mary Hanafin  Zoom on Mary Hanafin  Hanafin, Mary.
Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán. Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  Hoctor, Máire.
Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter. Information on Brendan Kenneally  Zoom on Brendan Kenneally  Kenneally, Brendan.
Information on Michael Kennedy  Zoom on Michael Kennedy  Kennedy, Michael. Information on Tony Killeen  Zoom on Tony Killeen  Killeen, Tony.
Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Kirk, Seamus. Information on Michael Kitt  Zoom on Michael Kitt  Kitt, Michael P.
Information on Tom Kitt  Zoom on Tom Kitt  Kitt, Tom. Information on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Zoom on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Lenihan, Brian.
Information on Conor Lenihan  Zoom on Conor Lenihan  Lenihan, Conor. Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael.
Information on Tom McEllistrim  Zoom on Tom McEllistrim  McEllistrim, Thomas. Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie.
Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael. Information on John McGuinness  Zoom on John McGuinness  McGuinness, John.
Information on John Moloney  Zoom on John Moloney  Moloney, John. Information on Michael Mulcahy  Zoom on Michael Mulcahy  Mulcahy, Michael.
Information on M. J. Nolan  Zoom on M. J. Nolan  Nolan, M.J. Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon.
Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán. Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  O’Connor, Charlie.
Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O’Dea, Willie. Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel.
Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  O’Hanlon, Rory. Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt.
Information on Ned O'Keeffe  Zoom on Ned O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Edward. Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  O’Rourke, Mary.
Information on Christy O'Sullivan  Zoom on Christy O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Christy. Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Power, Seán.
Information on Eamon Ryan  Zoom on Eamon Ryan  Ryan, Eamon. Information on Trevor Sargent  Zoom on Trevor Sargent  Sargent, Trevor.
Information on Eamon Scanlon  Zoom on Eamon Scanlon  Scanlon, Eamon. Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan.
Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Treacy, Noel. Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary.
Information on Mary Alexandra White  Zoom on Mary Alexandra White  White, Mary Alexandra. Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael.



Níl
Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Allen, Bernard. Information on James Bannon  Zoom on James Bannon  Bannon, James.
Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Barrett, Seán. Information on Joe Behan  Zoom on Joe Behan  Behan, Joe.
Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat. Information on Thomas P. Broughan  Zoom on Thomas P. Broughan  Broughan, Thomas P.
Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard. Information on Ulick Burke  Zoom on Ulick Burke  Burke, Ulick.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe.
Information on Deirdre Clune  Zoom on Deirdre Clune  Clune, Deirdre. Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul.
Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon. Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Crawford, Seymour.
Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael. Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Olwyn Enright  Zoom on Olwyn Enright  Enright, Olwyn.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles.
Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  Flanagan, Terence. Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Gilmore, Eamon.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Higgins, Michael D.
Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil. Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan.
Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul. Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Kenny, Enda.
Zoom on George Lee  Lee, George. Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán.
Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen. Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  McCormack, Pádraic.
Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane. Information on Finian McGrath  Zoom on Finian McGrath  McGrath, Finian.
Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe. Information on Liz McManus  Zoom on Liz McManus  McManus, Liz.
Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  Morgan, Arthur. Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis.
Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan. Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus. Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Kieran.
Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus. Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O’Mahony, John.
Information on Brian O'Shea  Zoom on Brian O'Shea  O’Shea, Brian. Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan.
Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Maureen. Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Penrose, Willie.
Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí. Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.
Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  Reilly, James. Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Sheahan, Tom.
Information on P. J. Sheehan  Zoom on P. J. Sheehan  Sheehan, P. J. Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Seán.
Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín. Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet.
Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David. Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy.
Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna. Information on Mary Upton  Zoom on Mary Upton  Upton, Mary.
Information on Leo Varadkar  Zoom on Leo Varadkar  Varadkar, Leo. Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.

Tellers: Tá: Deputies Pat Carey and John Cregan; Níl: Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg.

Question declared carried.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Is the proposal for dealing with No. 1a, Enforcement of Court Orders (Amendment) Bill 2009 [Seanad] — Second Stage and Remaining Stages, agreed to?

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  This is a case of another Bill being rammed through by use of the guillotine. We have made this point on many occasions but let me repeat that 18 Bills out of 21 have been rammed through by guillotine in the past four weeks and I object to this.

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  It is not right that we should guillotine this Bill at this stage. It warrants further discussion particularly on Committee Stage and it warrants further consideration by expert opinion before we decide its finality. I oppose the guillotine of the Bill.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  It is important to point out that in the past couple of weeks there have been at least three justice related Bills before the House, each of which required [662]significant scrutiny and preparation by Deputies, including in the main, Opposition Deputies, in terms of engaging with the Minister and his support on these matters. Now we have another Bill, namely, the Enforcement of Court Orders Bill, being introduced on the tail of the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill 2009, which has taken up so much time for Opposition justice spokespersons in this past short period. It does not allow for justice spokespeople on the Opposition benches the proper opportunity to prepare and tease through each of the elements involved. It is rushed legislation which is being guillotined once again. I rest my case but I oppose the guillotine. There it is, I took a breath and silence descended upon the place.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I put my case. Molaim an rúin.

Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with No. 1a be agreed to.”

The Dáil divided: Tá, 73; Níl, 66.

Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Ahern, Bertie. Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Ahern, Dermot.
Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael. Information on Noel Ahern  Zoom on Noel Ahern  Ahern, Noel.
Information on Barry Andrews  Zoom on Barry Andrews  Andrews, Barry. Information on Chris Andrews  Zoom on Chris Andrews  Andrews, Chris.
Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán. Information on Bobby Aylward  Zoom on Bobby Aylward  Aylward, Bobby.
Information on Niall Blaney  Zoom on Niall Blaney  Blaney, Niall. Information on Aine Brady  Zoom on Aine Brady  Brady, Áine.
Information on Cyprian Brady  Zoom on Cyprian Brady  Brady, Cyprian. Information on Johnny Brady  Zoom on Johnny Brady  Brady, Johnny.
Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John. Information on Thomas Byrne  Zoom on Thomas Byrne  Byrne, Thomas.
Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara. Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat.
Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall. Information on Margaret Conlon  Zoom on Margaret Conlon  Conlon, Margaret.
Information on Sean Connick  Zoom on Sean Connick  Connick, Seán. Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Coughlan, Mary.
Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Cregan, John. Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  Cuffe, Ciarán.
Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  Cullen, Martin. Information on John Curran  Zoom on John Curran  Curran, John.
Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel. Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy.
Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Dooley, Timmy. Information on Frank Fahey  Zoom on Frank Fahey  Fahey, Frank.
Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael. Information on Michael Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Michael Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Michael.
Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán. Information on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Zoom on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Gogarty, Paul.
Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Gormley, John. Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel.
Information on Mary Hanafin  Zoom on Mary Hanafin  Hanafin, Mary. Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán.
Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  Hoctor, Máire. Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter.
Information on Brendan Kenneally  Zoom on Brendan Kenneally  Kenneally, Brendan. Information on Michael Kennedy  Zoom on Michael Kennedy  Kennedy, Michael.
Information on Tony Killeen  Zoom on Tony Killeen  Killeen, Tony. Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Kirk, Seamus.
Information on Michael Kitt  Zoom on Michael Kitt  Kitt, Michael P. Information on Tom Kitt  Zoom on Tom Kitt  Kitt, Tom.
Information on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Zoom on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Lenihan, Brian. Information on Conor Lenihan  Zoom on Conor Lenihan  Lenihan, Conor.
Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael. Information on Tom McEllistrim  Zoom on Tom McEllistrim  McEllistrim, Thomas.
Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie. Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael.
Information on John McGuinness  Zoom on John McGuinness  McGuinness, John. Information on John Moloney  Zoom on John Moloney  Moloney, John.
Information on Michael Mulcahy  Zoom on Michael Mulcahy  Mulcahy, Michael. Information on M. J. Nolan  Zoom on M. J. Nolan  Nolan, M. J.
Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  O’Connor, Charlie. Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O’Dea, Willie.
Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel. Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  O’Hanlon, Rory.
Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt. Information on Ned O'Keeffe  Zoom on Ned O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Edward.
Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  O’Rourke, Mary. Information on Christy O'Sullivan  Zoom on Christy O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Christy.
Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Power, Seán. Information on Eamon Ryan  Zoom on Eamon Ryan  Ryan, Eamon.
Information on Trevor Sargent  Zoom on Trevor Sargent  Sargent, Trevor. Information on Eamon Scanlon  Zoom on Eamon Scanlon  Scanlon, Eamon.
Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan. Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Treacy, Noel.
Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary. Information on Mary Alexandra White  Zoom on Mary Alexandra White  White, Mary Alexandra.
Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael.  


Níl
Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Allen, Bernard. Information on James Bannon  Zoom on James Bannon  Bannon, James.
Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Barrett, Seán. Information on Joe Behan  Zoom on Joe Behan  Behan, Joe.
Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat. Information on Thomas P. Broughan  Zoom on Thomas P. Broughan  Broughan, Thomas P.
Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard. Information on Ulick Burke  Zoom on Ulick Burke  Burke, Ulick.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe.
Information on Deirdre Clune  Zoom on Deirdre Clune  Clune, Deirdre. Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul.
Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Costello, Joe. Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon.
Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Crawford, Seymour. Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael.
Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy. Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew.
Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J. Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien.
Information on Olwyn Enright  Zoom on Olwyn Enright  Enright, Olwyn. Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank.
Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles. Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  Flanagan, Terence.
Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Gilmore, Eamon. Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian.
Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Higgins, Michael D. Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil.
Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan. Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul.
Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Kenny, Enda. Zoom on George Lee  Lee, George.
Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán. Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen.
Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  McCormack, Pádraic. Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane.
Information on Finian McGrath  Zoom on Finian McGrath  McGrath, Finian. Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe.
Information on Liz McManus  Zoom on Liz McManus  McManus, Liz. Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  Morgan, Arthur.
Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis. Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan.
Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín. Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Kieran. Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus.
Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O’Mahony, John. Information on Brian O'Shea  Zoom on Brian O'Shea  O’Shea, Brian.
Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan. Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Maureen.
Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Penrose, Willie. Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John.
Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí. Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.
Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  Reilly, James. Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Sheahan, Tom.
Information on P. J. Sheehan  Zoom on P. J. Sheehan  Sheehan, P. J. Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Seán.
Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín. Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet.
Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David. Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy.
Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna. Information on Mary Upton  Zoom on Mary Upton  Upton, Mary.
Information on Leo Varadkar  Zoom on Leo Varadkar  Varadkar, Leo. Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Pat Carey and John Cregan; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg.

Question declared carried.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Is the proposal that the Dáil on its rising today shall adjourn until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 16 September 2009, agreed to?

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I do not expect that of all the items on the Order of Business there will be agreement on this one and for very good reason, beyond the usual reason of just having a vote for the sake of having one. In April the Chief Whip told the House that the Government would publish 26 Bills of which 17 were published leaving nine unpublished, including the employment agencies regulation Bill, the industrial relations (amendment) Bill, the environment (miscellaneous provisions) Bill, the environment (liability) Bill, direct debit mandates Bill, Child Care Bill, criminal justice (forensic sampling and evidence) Bill, criminal justice (money laundering) Bill and so on. Nine Bills were not published. The House is never given an explanation why these Bills are put on a list for publication during the session and then almost half of them are not published.

As was pointed out here yesterday by both Deputy Charles Flanagan and Deputy Shatter, we all have to treat seriously the issue of serious crime. We have a duty, while we are Members of this House, to debate and tease out the implications of the amendments to Bills in a proper, thorough and fitting fashion. I am sure that as the Deputy Leader of the Government, the Tánaiste does not want to happen, a situation, as Deputy Flanagan and Deputy Shatter pointed out could well arise here, in which the Government has obviously not done its legislative duty in a proper fashion. The House is still in session and we should sit next week to tease out the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill in a more thorough and fitting fashion.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The House divided on that issue and made a decision and there is no going back on that now.

[664]Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I am not just saying this for the sake of having a vote. I really mean it.

I assume that the proposed date of 16 September is because of the publication of the NAMA legislation, or that the House is coming back to discuss that legislation.

Last week the German Government put through its legislation dealing with its bad banks and it has already settled on a price level from mid-2008 for the acquisition of assets. We are now nine months on and we still have a very small number of people employed in NAMA. We do not know what the discount will be and as a consequence, with banks informing their shareholders, bank share values are increasing and the country’s credit is continuing to decline. We need to have a much clearer fix on this situation.

There are other issues. The Tánaiste is also the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment. Many thousands of small businesses cannot get access to credit and liquidity and overdraft facilities and by the time NAMA becomes effective, which could well be mid-2010, I can predict there will be thousands of small businesses no longer in business. The Tánaiste needs to do something to prevent the leakage out of the economy by higher taxes, by bringing in some fiscal stimulus. The VAT regime is not working and the rates of VAT should be changed to provide that fiscal stimulus for a limited period of, say, two years, to give some incentive and some injection to create and to protect jobs.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy has made his point.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Yes, I have. I am waiting for a response from the Tánaiste’s Department, principally, in respect of the document produced by Fine Gael and Deputy Coveney. The Taoiseach said he would get a considered opinion on our proposals as to how we can protect 80,000 jobs and create 100,000 jobs. That is something I await with interest.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  We cannot have a general discussion on the economy this morning.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  We have had a litany of eminent persons from the Fianna Fáil Party — Deputy Andrews, Deputy Kennedy, Deputy O’Keeffe, Deputy McGrath, Deputy Aylward, Deputy Kelly and Deputy Byrne — saying rightly that the McCarthy report should be published. If the Taoiseach did not want it published he should have said to Mr. McCarthy at the outset, “I don’t want to see your report and don’t come here with your report until the middle of October”. The Taoiseach did not say that and the Minister for Finance is now in possession of this document. The Minister, Deputy Lenihan, should publish the document, let everyone see what is in it, let them begin to digest it and for its value, or whatever is in it, at least the range of options presented by McCarthy can begin to be considered by the people.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  He should listen to his auntie.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It is only a list of recommendations. We do not know the full extent of what it contains but I believe——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Deputy Kenny has made his point.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  ——that the public is entitled to know what it is the Cabinet will have to discuss.

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The Taoiseach should publish it and let everybody see what is in it——

Deputy Noel Dempsey: Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Does the Deputy mind if the Cabinet sees it first?

[665]A Deputy:  Deputy O’Rourke said it should be published.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  ——because we will find out sooner or later. We all have a job to do in respect of the Lisbon referendum.

Deputy Noel Dempsey: Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  The Cabinet is entitled to see it first.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Deputy Kenny has made his point. Only short statements are allowed on this issue.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Do not mislead the public by allegations of this, that or the other.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I have to move on. The Deputy has made his point.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The process the Tánaiste talked about yesterday should lead to a conclusion at the Cabinet meeting next Tuesday or Wednesday. She should make a decision and publish this document and let the people see what Mr. McCarthy has submitted.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy has made his point.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  For that reason I object to the taking of No. 5. The Dáil should sit next week to tease out the implications of the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill. It should have available to it the contents of the McCarthy report. I know all the Members on the opposite side are anxious to get away out of this place——

Deputy Noel Dempsey: Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Not half as anxious as the Members opposite.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  ——when they get lambasted, embarrassed and beaten down——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy has made his point.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  ——after what has been one of the most lamentable performances by a Government——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  That is enough now.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  ——in the past 35 years.

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy has made his point. I call Deputy Gilmore.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Four hundred and eighteen thousand people on the live register do not want to see this House rise for the summer period this week.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  We cannot debate the economy now. I must call Deputy Gilmore.

A Deputy:  Stay with us.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Come back again next week and we will have another round.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  They can run but they cannot hide.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I call Deputy Gilmore. Only brief statements are allowed.

A Deputy:  We have the seats. The Government need not worry.

[666]Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The Labour Party has given very careful consideration to the proposal from the Government that the House should adjourn until 16 September. I appreciate that the Government is tired, exhausted, bruised, battered and beaten.

Deputy Brian Lenihan: Information on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Zoom on Brian Joseph Lenihan  We are full of energy.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Nervous.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  If the Government needs a break from the exertions of governing they can be facilitated with a break for much longer than nine weeks.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Give us a break.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  That is exactly what we are planning on giving you. Putting the House into suspension for nine weeks when there is unfinished business and business that is being finished too quickly is not the way to do it. When the House reconvened in September of last year it was to debate the Government’s approach to the banking system. That is not finished business. We still do not have the NAMA legislation and we should not adjourn the House until we have the NAMA legislation and have an opportunity of discussing it. When we came back last September the Government suddenly discovered that there was an economic problem and decided to bring forward the budget to October and in that budget announced it would examine public expenditure. It has now got the report on that. We should not adjourn until that report is published and we have had an opportunity to discuss it.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Ahern, is so anxious——

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  For the top job.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  ——to get a political reputation for himself for dealing with gangland crime he is now in danger of leaving those very gangland people at liberty by rushing legislation which is now in danger of being tied up for a long time in the courts.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  What did you say in November 2008?

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  We could consider——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  That matter has been dealt with. The House has divided on that, Deputy Gilmore, as I told Deputy Kenny.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  You said you wanted no excuses as to why we could not do it.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  The Minister is giving them all.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  That is what you said following Shane Geoghegan’s murder.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  It is a long time since November. Where has the Minister been since November? We could have been dealing with this issue.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  You said you wanted no excuses.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Minister, Deputy Ahern, must address his comments through the Chair. In any event, the Criminal Justice (Amendment) Bill has been decided upon by the House.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  You said you wanted action.

[667]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Deputy Gilmore, without interruption.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  His problem is that in his haste to get a political reputation——

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  You are getting the action that you asked for in November but you want to analyse it. You do not want action. You want to pull out.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Minister, Deputy Ahern, will have to address his comments through the Chair.

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  You will have to continue that conversation elsewhere.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The danger now is that you are leaving them at liberty.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  You called for action in November. You are now getting it. You said you did not want any excuses.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  You have a reputation for being a tough Minister——

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  You are running scared.

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Deputy Gilmore, address your comments through the Chair. The Deputies can continue that conversation somewhere else.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Now we know what the legislation is for. The legislation is designed more to enhance the Minister’s reputation than it is to get the——

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  We are being asked to approve a nine week recess——

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Do you want to come outside, Dermot?

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  ——while the country is in the depths of an economic crisis, thousands of people are being added to the unemployment list——

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Deputy Ó Caoláin, without interruption.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  ——homes are being repossessed, businesses are going out of business on a continual basis, health and education cuts, including hospital closures, are badly hurting families and communities.

Deputy Máire Hoctor: Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  What about crime?

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  All of these matters are very serious issues and all the time we have no real leadership, no vision and no strategy for job retention and job creation. This Government has the country scundered, and that is the bottom line on it. We cannot agree to the proposal that it head off for a nine week break to shower its heads. The business needs to continue and we agree with other voices here; we should sit again next week. I challenge the [668]Government. If it thinks it is a bluff, call it. Let us test it and see exactly who means what they say here this morning.

Deputy Martin Cullen: Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  We will have to settle all of this on the plinth, a Cheann Comhairle.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  There were 26 Bills on the A list. There were 18 yesterday. Nineteen have been published. Three additional Bills outside of the A list were published. Several other items of legislation will come to Cabinet during the month of July and there has been a considerable——

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Legislation by diktat.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  ——amount of legislation brought forward and discussed in the House. I smirked when I heard the word “scundered”——

Deputy Pádraic McCormack: Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  Off with the head.

Deputy Ruairí Quinn: Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  That is a Semtex term.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Tánaiste, without interruption.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Sinn Féin are scundered, Fine Gael are in a lament and I have to tell the leader of the Labour Party——

A Deputy:  You are in denial.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  ——that contrary to his view, this Government is lean, mean and very fit for purpose.

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Tánaiste, complete what you have to say.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Contrary to opinion, unlike what the Leader of Fine Gael has said——

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Lean, mean and broke.

Deputy Tom Sheahan: Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  And hungry.

Deputy Olwyn Enright: Information on Olwyn Enright  Zoom on Olwyn Enright  She means lean, mean and not ready.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Tánaiste to complete.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  The Government is mean all right.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  The Government is meaningless.

Deputy Damien English: Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  That is the most honest statement she has ever made.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Tánaiste to complete.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  We could always entice the Deputy outside to prove it, but I do not think we will do that.

(Interruptions).

[669]The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  What I find difficult with Fine Gael’s policies is that its front bench seeks reductions while its backbench is bleating looking for more investment and services.

Deputy Pádraic McCormack: Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  This is a pantomime, a Cheann Comhairle.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  The Tánaiste should look at her own backbenchers who are looking for her head.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Perhaps it would be more prudent if Fine Gael decided what it wanted. This side of the House, on the other hand, has determined what it wants to see.

Deputies:  The Tánaiste should look behind her at her backbenches.

Deputy Frank Feighan: Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  She has lost it.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Pádraic McCormack: Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  They should listen to their agony aunt.

Question put: “That the Dáil on its rising today shall adjourn until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 16 September 2009.”

The Dáil divided: Tá, 73; Níl, 67.

Information on Bertie Ahern  Zoom on Bertie Ahern  Ahern, Bertie. Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Ahern, Dermot.
Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael. Information on Noel Ahern  Zoom on Noel Ahern  Ahern, Noel.
Information on Barry Andrews  Zoom on Barry Andrews  Andrews, Barry. Information on Chris Andrews  Zoom on Chris Andrews  Andrews, Chris.
Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán. Information on Bobby Aylward  Zoom on Bobby Aylward  Aylward, Bobby.
Information on Niall Blaney  Zoom on Niall Blaney  Blaney, Niall. Information on Aine Brady  Zoom on Aine Brady  Brady, Áine.
Information on Cyprian Brady  Zoom on Cyprian Brady  Brady, Cyprian. Information on Johnny Brady  Zoom on Johnny Brady  Brady, Johnny.
Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John. Information on Thomas Byrne  Zoom on Thomas Byrne  Byrne, Thomas.
Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara. Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat.
Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall. Information on Margaret Conlon  Zoom on Margaret Conlon  Conlon, Margaret.
Information on Sean Connick  Zoom on Sean Connick  Connick, Seán. Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Coughlan, Mary.
Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Cregan, John. Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  Cuffe, Ciarán.
Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  Cullen, Martin. Information on John Curran  Zoom on John Curran  Curran, John.
Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel. Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy.
Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Dooley, Timmy. Information on Frank Fahey  Zoom on Frank Fahey  Fahey, Frank.
Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael. Information on Michael Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Michael Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Michael.
Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán. Information on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Zoom on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Gogarty, Paul.
Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Gormley, John. Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel.
Information on Mary Hanafin  Zoom on Mary Hanafin  Hanafin, Mary. Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán.
Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  Hoctor, Máire. Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter.
Information on Brendan Kenneally  Zoom on Brendan Kenneally  Kenneally, Brendan. Information on Michael Kennedy  Zoom on Michael Kennedy  Kennedy, Michael.
Information on Tony Killeen  Zoom on Tony Killeen  Killeen, Tony. Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Kirk, Seamus.
Information on Michael Kitt  Zoom on Michael Kitt  Kitt, Michael P. Information on Tom Kitt  Zoom on Tom Kitt  Kitt, Tom.
Information on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Zoom on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Lenihan, Brian. Information on Conor Lenihan  Zoom on Conor Lenihan  Lenihan, Conor.
Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael. Information on Tom McEllistrim  Zoom on Tom McEllistrim  McEllistrim, Thomas.
Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie. Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael.
Information on John McGuinness  Zoom on John McGuinness  McGuinness, John. Information on John Moloney  Zoom on John Moloney  Moloney, John.
Information on Michael Mulcahy  Zoom on Michael Mulcahy  Mulcahy, Michael. Information on M. J. Nolan  Zoom on M. J. Nolan  Nolan, M. J.
Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  O’Connor, Charlie. Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O’Dea, Willie.
Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel. Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  O’Hanlon, Rory.
Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt. Information on Ned O'Keeffe  Zoom on Ned O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Edward.
Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  O’Rourke, Mary. Information on Christy O'Sullivan  Zoom on Christy O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Christy.
Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Power, Seán. Information on Eamon Ryan  Zoom on Eamon Ryan  Ryan, Eamon.
Information on Trevor Sargent  Zoom on Trevor Sargent  Sargent, Trevor. Information on Eamon Scanlon  Zoom on Eamon Scanlon  Scanlon, Eamon.
Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan. Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Treacy, Noel.
Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary. Information on Mary Alexandra White  Zoom on Mary Alexandra White  White, Mary Alexandra.
Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael.  


[670]Níl
Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Allen, Bernard. Information on James Bannon  Zoom on James Bannon  Bannon, James.
Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Barrett, Seán. Information on Joe Behan  Zoom on Joe Behan  Behan, Joe.
Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat. Information on Thomas P. Broughan  Zoom on Thomas P. Broughan  Broughan, Thomas P.
Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard. Information on Ulick Burke  Zoom on Ulick Burke  Burke, Ulick.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe.
Information on Deirdre Clune  Zoom on Deirdre Clune  Clune, Deirdre. Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul.
Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Costello, Joe. Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon.
Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Crawford, Seymour. Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael.
Information on Lucinda Creighton  Zoom on Lucinda Creighton  Creighton, Lucinda. Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Olwyn Enright  Zoom on Olwyn Enright  Enright, Olwyn.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles.
Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  Flanagan, Terence. Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Gilmore, Eamon.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Higgins, Michael D.
Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil. Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan.
Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul. Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Kenny, Enda.
Zoom on George Lee  Lee, George. Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán.
Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen. Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  McCormack, Pádraic.
Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane. Information on Finian McGrath  Zoom on Finian McGrath  McGrath, Finian.
Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe. Information on Liz McManus  Zoom on Liz McManus  McManus, Liz.
Information on Olivia Mitchell  Zoom on Olivia Mitchell  Mitchell, Olivia. Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  Morgan, Arthur.
Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis. Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan.
Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín. Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Kieran. Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus.
Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O’Mahony, John. Information on Brian O'Shea  Zoom on Brian O'Shea  O’Shea, Brian.
Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan. Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Maureen.
Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Penrose, Willie. Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John.
Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí. Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.
Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  Reilly, James. Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Sheahan, Tom.
Information on P. J. Sheehan  Zoom on P. J. Sheehan  Sheehan, P. J. Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Seán.
Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín. Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet.
Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David. Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy.
Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna. Information on Mary Upton  Zoom on Mary Upton  Upton, Mary.
Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.  

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Pat Carey and John Cregan; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg.

Question declared carried.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  First, I want to correct the record. Deputy Charlie O’Connor has informed me he too wishes to see the McCarthy report published.

Deputy Charlie O’Connor: Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  I did not say that.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  It will go down well in Tallaght.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  We need to keep him out of Tallaght.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I commend the heroic efforts of the Minister for Finance yesterday in diverting traffic on Ormond Quay. I hope the unfortunate person knocked off her bicycle makes a full recovery.

The House has made its decision to rise until 16 September. The tradition is that I should take this opportunity to wish the Ceann Comhairle, as presiding officer of the House, some serenity and peace in the weeks ahead. I would also like to thank the members of the staff of the House for their unfailing courtesy to both visitors and Members.

I also pay tribute to the members of the Fourth Estate for their continuous interest in what happens in the Chamber and in the machinations of politics. I hope the Ceann Comhairle, in his capacity as chairman of the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission, can deal with the business of [671]structural deficiencies in this ancient house of the Geraldines to allow the members of the media prompt and quick access to those people with whom they love to talk in and around the corridors of Leinster House.

My wish was that the House would have sat for another week but I cannot change that. If those who have left the Chamber already are getting their buckets, spades and sandals ready, I hope they will still focus on the real problems with which we have to deal.

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  And remember the sun block.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Exactly. As I say those few words, I wish the Ceann Comhairle success in the time ahead.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I thank Deputy Kenny.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  I join Deputy Kenny in wishing the Ceann Comhairle and all of the Members of the House, the staff of the Houses and the press who report on our business here a happy summer holiday. I hope to see them all back here again as the leaves begin to turn brown.

While we are waiting for the leaves to turn brown——

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  And the green shoots.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Out the door.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The only thing we have seen shooting from Greens here is shooting out the door as fast as they can.

Deputy Charles Flanagan: Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  And the Greens shooting themselves in the foot.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  And mouth.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Obviously, there is much business that the Government must consider between now and when we have an opportunity of holding it to account again in September. How many meetings of the Cabinet are scheduled between now and 16 September?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Unfortunately, that question is not in order.

Deputy Eamon Gilmore: Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  The Tánaiste might answer it anyway.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I doubt if she can because——

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  She probably does not know.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  No. The problem is that she is not here to answer that question. She is here to discuss the Order of Business and the business which is ordered.

Deputy Ruairí Quinn: Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  She can be trusted with that.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  The Tánaiste may want to wish us all well anyway.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I was going to do that at the end.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  At 9 o’clock?

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  She should do it when she gets a chance.

[672]Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Will the Tánaiste confirm, however many Cabinet meetings there are scheduled, that after the Cabinet meeting next week, where it will consider the report from an bord snip nua, that the Government will publish it? Otherwise, bits of it will be leaked during the holidays as the beaches of Kerry beckon. It will become like an edition of Lady Chatterley’s Lover as it is passed around among Members of the Dáil. Can we have the full, complete, unexpurgated——

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Unredacted.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  ——version launched after the Cabinet meeting? What does the Tánaiste say?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Tánaiste cannot discuss what happens at the Cabinet meeting and Deputy Rabbitte knows that well.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  After the Cabinet meeting.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  That is after the ball is over kind of stuff.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  After it is all over, is there likely to be publication of the McCarthy report next week?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Matters have not changed since yesterday because we did not have a Cabinet meeting.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  They have the report.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The Cabinet meeting will take place on Wednesday, at which stage the Minister for Finance will brief the members of the Cabinet. The Cabinet will then make its decision as to what will happen.

Deputy Bernard Allen: Information on Bernard Allen  Zoom on Bernard Allen  Run for the beaches.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Before the Dáil resumes on 16 September, will we get details of the valuation method for the impaired assets that will be taken over by NAMA? I asked the Minister for Finance if there would be an independent valuation board, as is done in most countries.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  No doubt the Deputy will find another way of raising that matter.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  When we come back in September our national debt will have risen by €20 billion to €40 billion.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I cannot have a discussion on the economy now, as the Deputies well know. I have allowed much latitude on the five items which were before the House this morning.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  I know €20 billion to €40 billion does not sound much in Kerry——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I cannot discuss this now.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  ——but in Dublin it sounds like a great deal.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Whether it is in Kerry or Dublin, I cannot discuss it. Even if it was in Cork, I could not discuss it.

[673]Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Will we get information——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  No.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  ——about the valuation method of NAMA——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  We cannot discuss it. I must call Deputy Crawford.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  ——and the debt it implies for every taxpayer in this country?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I must call Deputy Crawford.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Will we get any information?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I call Deputy Crawford.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Can I ask——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  That is not in order. Deputy Burton knows that as well as I do. She is here a good few years now. She knows what is and what is not in order and that is not in order. Ask something that is in order and I will be only too pleased to facilitate her.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Can I ask about prices and the National Consumer Agency? What is the position on the legislation on the future of that agency, which apparently was meant to be merged with the Competition Authority? We also understand that part of the Financial Regulator is to be merged in a third merger. Could the Tánaiste tell us because prices continue to rise?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The legislation is being finalised in my Department. It is my clear intention to have it for the next session.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Over recent weeks and months, junior civil servants and all sorts of people have had their salaries cut, farmers are losing out in every way and hospitals are being closed.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Come on now.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  When can an issue that is extremely serious regarding the cost of tribunals, inquiries, etc., be dealt with, that is, the Legal Costs Bill? Can the Tánaiste assure us that over the summer months this will be dealt with and every citizen in this country will be treated equally, no matter his or her status?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  There is no date.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  I note on the wires this morning that the G8 agreed a rescue package of $15 billion for the world’s poorest farmers.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  We cannot discuss it.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  I am not in any sense insisting that Irish agriculture is in a comparable situation to those at the bottom rung of the ladder globally, but we have seen in recent weeks the publication of the Teagasc income survey, which showed that farm incomes——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  A question that is in order, Deputy Creed. I am trying to facilitate the Deputy.

[674]Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  I will bring this into order, if the Ceann Comhairle bears with me a moment. The report showed that farm incomes fell by 13% in 2008 and are projected to fall by 13% in 2009. We have a series of cuts, the most recent only announced in a sneaky fashion——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  We cannot go into that now. Deputy Creed could not expect it. I would have to allow every Member to do it then and I cannot do that.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  ——that this House will not be entitled to scrutinise in any way the suspension of the REPS support scheme for new applicants, the Greens pulling the plug on environment projects and on organic grants.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy can raise that in another way. There are other ways of raising these matters.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Can I ask the Tánaiste——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Ask her about legislation, please.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  ——in respect of the agrifood sector, whether the Government, either at a national level or an EU level, envisages any remedy or rescue package——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I cannot go into that. The Deputy must deal with that in another way. Otherwise, I would have to allow every Deputy to do the same.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  ——to address the crisis in agriculture, in particular, in the dairy sector?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Then the agriculture spokespersons for the Labour Party, Sinn Féin and some Independents, and everybody else, including even Government backbenchers, might like to raise the same issue. I cannot allow it.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  The Tánaiste, from her time in the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, will be aware that there is a significant probability that we will be back here in September——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I will call Deputy Durkan.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  ——discussing the crisis in the dairy industry along with NAMA because there are likely to be casualties in the processing sector outside the farm gate, as opposed to at farm gate level.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I will have to ask Deputy Creed to resume his seat. I call Deputy Durkan.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  The Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Deputy Brendan Smith, fiddles while Rome burns. There is no action.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Deputy Creed is out of order. He did not ask any question that was in order. I call Deputy Durkan.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Not wishing to rain on the parade, but there is a piece of promised legislation that I mentioned previously, and I hate to bring it up again. The Government stated it would introduce legislation to consolidate and modernise financial service legislation in accordance with the Government’s better regulation agenda.

[675]Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Sounds good.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Those are the Government’s words. It has been on the list published by the Chief Whip for some considerable time under section C. Will that Bill be brought before the House on 16 September or will the Government meander along the sylvan settings of this country for the month of August and part of September——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy has asked his question on the legislation.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  ——and ignore everything, which the Ceann Comhairle has never done? I want to say a special thank you to the Ceann Comhairle for his tolerance and compassion——

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Understanding.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  ——to the poor unfortunate Members on this side of the House for this session. He made it somewhat tolerable in an intolerable situation. Can I ask for the answer to the question now?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I answered the question. I have told Deputy Durkan I do not know how many times since Easter that there is no date.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I call Deputy Kathleen Lynch.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  A Cheann Comhairle——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  There is no date.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  That sums up what is wrong.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy cannot give a commentary on it now.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  There is no date.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  It is a consolidation Bill.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  There is no “Aprés Match” allowed here.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  It is typical of what is going on over on that side of the House. They have ignored reality.

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  On promised legislation, when will the child care Bill be published? In that respect, does the Government have any proposals to bring together all of the issues which affect children under one Department?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I knew it was too good to be true. I call the Tánaiste on the child care Bill.

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  I have been trying to get an answer from the Minister for Education and Science in respect of a particular child——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Tánaiste on the child care Bill.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  It is going to Cabinet next week.

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  ——for the past month.

[676]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  There is the answer now.

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  When will the child care Bill be published?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  It goes to Cabinet next week.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  It will go to Dublin next week.

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Obviously, the Government has it in the nose for the farming community when it voted so much against the Tánaiste’s party last month.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The pity about that was the spokesperson. I cannot really allow Deputy Connaughton at it then.

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  I will be in order in an minute. The Ceann Comhairle need not worry.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Perhaps the Deputy could make it faster.

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  I will make it as fast as the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food took the €10,000 out of every farmer’s pocket yesterday. That is how fast I will be.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy must raise that some other way.

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  It is an outrageous decision.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Pickpockets.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy should ask a question that is relevant.

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  The Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government has left also and he has done his level best——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  The Deputy should not mind him.

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  ——to run every turf cutter off the bogs of Ireland over the summer.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Has the Deputy a question to ask?

Deputy Paul Connaughton: Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  I can assure the House that neither a Fianna Fáil Minister nor a Green Party Minister——

(Interruptions).

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Hear, hear.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  Deputy Connaughton has nothing to ask — that is fine.

Deputy Joe Costello: Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Has the Tánaiste any date for the publication of the European Defence Agency Bill?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  It will be in the next session.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ba mhaith liom an deis seo a thógaint síocháin agus sonas a ghuí ar fhoireann na Dála, ar fhoireann mo pháirtí féin, ar na Teachtaí eile agus ar na meáin. [677] Bhí seisiún fada againn an uair seo agus de réir cosúlachta beidh seisiúin fada eile againn roimh an chéad toghchán eile.

Ba mhaith liom ceist a chur faoi Bhille a bhí luaite ar na cláir reachtaíochta le tamall de bhlianta anuas ach atá anois tar éis éalú uathu. Measaim gur luadh ar dtús é i 1997. An Bille atá i gceist ná an Bille cíos talún — the ground rent Bill. Cá bhfuil sé agus an dtiocfaidh sé ar ais riamh? An bhfuil aon seans ann go mbeidh sé os ár gcomhair amach anseo?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Ag an mbomaite seo, níl méábalta freagra a thabhairt don Teachta.

Deputy David Stanton: Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  I want to ask about three Bills. We signed up to the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities a while ago but the Mental Capacity Bill needs to be published and passed before we can ratify that important international agreement. Will the Tánaiste ask the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform when the Bill will be published and passed? Will it be before the end of 2009?

What is the position on the Sale of Alcohol Bill and the public health (miscellaneous provisions) Bill, which have been promised for some time? One purpose of the latter is to protect young people from the dangers of sunbeds.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I hope the Mental Capacity Bill will be dealt with this year, if at all possible. The Sale of Alcohol Bill will be considered next year. I do not believe there is a date listed for the public health (miscellaneous provisions) Bill but I will check it for the Deputy.

Deputy Simon Coveney: Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  With regard to the Government’s commitment to put in place a new foreign adoption agreement between Ireland and Vietnam, in respect of which the Minister returned from Vietnam last week, could the Tánaiste update the House for the sake of people seeking to adopt and who are waiting to hear the up-to-date position? Can they expect a new agreement to be in place this summer? Must they wait until the new session in September or can they expect a temporary agreement to be put in place allowing them to proceed with their adoptions? Many are half way through the adoption process.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform promised a data protection Bill. Fine Gael published its own Data Protection (Disclosure) (Amendment) Bill, which became even more relevant following recent data protection breaches. Can we expect any developments in this regard in the autumn?

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  With regard to adoptions of children from Vietnam, I support the remarks of Deputy Coveney. The relevant legislation in this area is the Adoption Bill, which has passed through the Seanad but which has not yet been considered in the Dáil. Is it intended to put that legislation on hold? Many countries have not signed the Hague convention or do not have bilateral agreements; this is where the difficulty lies. It is not just an issue pertaining to Vietnam because the case of Ethiopia has also come to light. There is a long recess ahead, albeit not as long as it may have been in other years, during which we will not be able to deal with these issues. For the sake of the families in question, we need a response from the Tánaiste on behalf of the Government before the summer break.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  With regard to adoption legislation, the Minister issued a press statement on the matter and travelled to Vietnam, which has a sovereign Government. The work in this regard is still in progress and a new overall agreement has not been finalised.

I am advised by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform that a group is at present considering the data protection legislation and he is not yet in a position to give a final date for its introduction.

[678]Deputy Simon Coveney: Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  The Minister indicated that while families were waiting for a comprehensive new foreign adoption agreement between Ireland, Vietnam and other countries, the Government would consider putting in place an interim agreement such that families half way through the adoption process would be allowed to proceed. I want to know the position on this.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The question is completely out of order because it does not concern legislation.

Deputy Simon Coveney: Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  It was promised by the Government.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I indicated there are ongoing discussions and I will ask the Minister to contact the Deputy directly.

Deputy Joanna Tuffy: Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Several Bills have been and are to be guillotined this week. Earlier in the year, there were weeks during which we had hardly any legislation at all to discuss. In the next session, instead of the Government giving us a schedule of Bills, which is basically just a list of Bills and publication dates that may or may not have any relationship with reality, could it instead give us an actual timetable setting out the exact months in which promised Bills are to be dealt with and the number of days that will be allowed for considering them in each House? Can we deal with legislation from the beginning of the year so we can make progress in a paced way, thus preventing us from having to rush through legislation at the end of the year, as we have done this year?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  That is a fair point. When I was in the backbenches the system was such that it was very difficult to prepare for debate within the House. Unfortunately, legislation does not always proceed as the Deputy desires but we will be cognisant of the fact that Deputies need a clear indication of the Bills that are to arise so that they can prepare accordingly.

When I first became a Member of this House in 1987, the discussion was on whether we should return from the recess before or after the Listowel races. We have now decided to be like Solomon and return during the middle of them, for which I apologise profusely to the Ceann Comhairle. We are sorry we will not be with him on that occasion. I thank him, the other Members and the staff for their work. Contrary to public opinion, the Government and Members of the Oireachtas will continue to work at the committees and perform their duties as public representatives during the recess. I wish Members well and hope everyone will have an opportunity to take some time off and enjoy family life. I thank the members of the media for their work on publicising what is debated in the House. I am sure the Ceann Comhairle looks forward to the break and I assume most of us will return fighting fit and exuberant to do the work that must be done before Christmas.

Deputy Charles Flanagan: Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  We are ready for our autumn holiday in Donegal to witness the by-election in the Tánaiste’s constituency.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The Deputy will be welcome to Donegal any day.

Deputy Charles Flanagan: Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Indian summer.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  I take the opportunity to reciprocate the good wishes extended by the party leaders and the Tánaiste. I offer my best wishes to all Members over the summer. I realise they will still be working in their constituencies and that the committees will be continuing their work. This has been a long and very difficult session and very often we worked late into the night. I thank the Members for their diligence, commitment and determination. I thank the Clerk, the staff of my office and staff of the Houses of the Oireachtas for their tremendous [679]work over the course of this long session. In particular, I thank the staff for their co-operation with the public during the family weekend. I thank the Fourth Estate and wish it well throughout the summer months.


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