Order of Business.

Thursday, 5 November 2009

Dáil Eireann Debate
Vol. 693 No. 3

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The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  It is proposed to take No. 11, Supplementary Estimates for Public Services, [Votes 7 and 12], back from committee; and No. 24, the National Asset Management Agency Bill 2009, Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. today and business shall be interrupted on the conclusion of Question Time tonight, which shall be taken on the conclusion of No. 24 for 75 minutes, and in the event of a private notice question being allowed, it shall be taken after 45 minutes, and the order shall not resume thereafter; the sitting shall be suspended from 1.30 p.m. to 2.30 p.m. today; No. 11 [Votes 7 and 12] which shall be decided without debate, shall be moved together and decided by one question which shall be put from the Chair and any division demanded thereon shall be taken forthwith; and the resumed Report Stage and Final Stage of No. 24 shall be taken today and the proceedings thereon shall, if not [818]previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 8 p.m. tonight by one question, which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in regard to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Finance.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  There are three proposals to be put to the House today. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. today agreed to?

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  That is agreed, Sir, but before we travel beyond that point, the Order of Business allows the Dáil to sit beyond 4.45 p.m. but we are to conclude the debate on the National Asset Management Agency Bill at 8 p.m. Essentially, the Government wishes to guillotine this legislation in circumstances in which, in the context of Report Stage, we have concluded debate and discussion on four out of 135 proposed amendments.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Whose fault is that?

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  Many of the amendments are of substantial importance. The one thing we have discovered with this legislation as we have gone through from Second Stage to Committee Stage to Report Stage is that the Government has recognised the need for substantial amendments.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I draw Deputy Shatter’s attention to the fact that we have three proposals to deal with and when we reach that stage, we can allow debate on it.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  The point I make, Sir, is that in principle this party has no objection to us sitting late, but I oppose and Fine Gael opposes, the Order of Business in full because the debate on Report Stage of the National Asset Management Agency Bill should be open ended. It should not be guillotined. This is one of the most important financial measures——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I ask Deputy Shatter to leave his contribution until we reach No. 3.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  ——to come before the Oireachtas since the foundation of the State.

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  It creates major problems for the future financial stability of the State and the banking sector.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  And for Deputy George Lee as well.

Deputy Dara Calleary: Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  What about Deputy George Lee as well?

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  A Cheann Comhairle, if you are——

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  In those circumstances, we oppose the Order of Business.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  A Cheann Comhairle, are you taking No. 3 along with No. 1?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I am not taking No. 3. I have a number of other matters to deal with before we get to No. 3.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  As you have allowed a Fine Gael Deputy to speak, the notion of having a guillotine at 8 p.m. is unacceptable to the Labour Party.

[819]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I ask the Deputy to leave her contribution until we reach No. 3. I will allow her to contribute at that stage.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Okay.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Is the proposal on the late sitting agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 11, Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services, [Votes 7 and 12], without debate, agreed to? Agreed.

Is the proposal for dealing with No. 24, the National Asset Management Agency Bill 2009, Report Stage (resumed) and Final Stage agreed to?

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  A Cheann Comhairle, can I speak on that now?

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  For the reason I gave——

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  I have not had an opportunity to speak on it yet and you said you would allow me, a Cheann Comhairle.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Deputy Burton has not spoken about anything else for the last fortnight.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Very briefly. I will allow Deputy Shatter to speak and then I will come back to Deputy Burton.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  I will not unduly delay the House. For the reasons I gave previously, Sir, that this is a measure of fundamental importance to the future financial stability of the State, this House should have the opportunity to fully consider and debate it. It is a measure that, as we have gone through from Second Stage to Report Stage, has resulted in substantial amendments being brought forward, even by the Government, as it realised the defects and omissions contained in the Bill.

I ask the Tánaiste not to divide the House on this issue. It is absolutely scandalous that it could be suggested that having spent yesterday dealing with four amendments, the remaining 131 could be adequately debated and considered between now and 8 p.m. I ask the Government and the Tánaiste to agree to an open-ended discussion until such time as we complete Report Stage.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  We will be here until the next election if we do that.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  If need be, Members on this side of the House are quite prepared to sit into the small hours of the morning. We did so this day last week and, as a consequence of that discussion, the Minister, who was denying the need to make amendments on a number of issues, including with regard to special purpose vehicles, has now agreed that there is a need to address some of the issues raised on that occasion. We have not yet got into any detailed debate on those vehicles and the controls necessary to ensure probity.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I ask the Deputy to reserve his comments until the debate resumes.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  As a woman Deputy, perhaps I take a slightly different line from Deputy Shatter. I understand that many Deputies wish to go home to their families and children at some time between 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. tonight. That is perfectly valid. There is, therefore, nothing wrong with this House doing a day’s work tomorrow, starting at 9 a.m., as most people who are lucky enough to have a job will do.

[820]Deputy John Cregan: Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Not all of us live in Dublin.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  I have no problem with staying here through the night. We did it last week and it is not difficult. However, it is not necessarily the most family friendly way of doing business. Many of the amendments that are critically important——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I ask the Deputy to reserve her remarks until the debate on the Bill is resumed.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  You allowed Deputy Shatter to make two long interventions. I am concerned——

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Do not be jealous, Joan.

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Do not be childish, Paul.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  ——about the amendments that relate to the gagging clauses——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I ask the Deputy to reserve her comments until the debate resumes.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  ——for the gagging of the chairman and chief executive of the NTMA.

Deputy Michael D. Higgins: Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  It is about the timing.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  This is about the timing.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It was initially.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  I am concerned about our amendment that will forbid court cases arising from NAMA to be heard in camera. There is no precedent in Irish civil law for holding court hearings——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Deputy Burton must reserve those remarks until the debate is resumed.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  ——to do with Fianna Fáil’s friends in the property business in camera. We object to a guillotine at 8 p.m. We can sit through the night or there is a more civilised way of doing this, which is to return here at 9 a.m. tomorrow and on Saturday and Sunday mornings, if necessary.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  What is the problem? People are paid well enough to come into the House for a few extra days.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  There is an infinitely better solution. Simply put, it is that the Deputies on the Government benches who privately share the concerns expressed by Opposition voices about NAMA, and privately share that opinion, take the courage to oppose the passage of the legislation when it is put to the House today or any other day.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  That works both ways.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  NAMA should be opposed because it is a fundamentally flawed formula to address the difficulties that currently bedevil this economy. It was galling yesterday to witness the Minister for Finance sitting beside an OECD representative and calling [821]for the slashing of child benefit, the minimum wage and social welfare payments across the board.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy should reserve his remarks until the debate resumes.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  The issue is the slashing of social welfare benefits across the board——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy will have ample time to make those points.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  ——and then for the Minister to come to this House and expect Deputies to give approval to his proposition to bail out banks and developers with tens of billions of Irish taxpayers’ money-----

(Interruptions).

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  -----is absolutely outrageous and it is high time somebody told the Minister, Deputy Brian Lenihan——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Deputy Ó Caoláin, we will resume the debate shortly.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  ——he should get stuffed.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I agree with Deputy Shatter that this is important legislation. All Members of this House have participated fully in the deliberations on it. There were 29.5 hours of discussion on Second Stage, 42 hours of discussion on Committee Stage and on Report Stage, including today, there will be 14.25 hours. That is almost 86 hours of deliberation on this legislation. It must then go to the Seanad and be returned to this House next week.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  That is about €1 billion of debt an hour.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  A Cheann Comhairle——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Deputy Shatter has already had three opportunities to contribute.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  This House is not a rubber stamp for the Government. We are elected to this House to take responsibility by the electorate. The Government is guillotining a measure that is seriously defective. It has had to be amended on every Stage of its passage.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  I ask Deputy Shatter to resume his seat. I will now put the question.

Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with No. 24 be agreed to.”

The Dáil divided: Tá, 78; Níl, 56.

Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Ahern, Dermot. Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael.
Information on Noel Ahern  Zoom on Noel Ahern  Ahern, Noel. Information on Barry Andrews  Zoom on Barry Andrews  Andrews, Barry.
Information on Chris Andrews  Zoom on Chris Andrews  Andrews, Chris. Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán.
Information on Bobby Aylward  Zoom on Bobby Aylward  Aylward, Bobby. Information on Niall Blaney  Zoom on Niall Blaney  Blaney, Niall.
Information on Aine Brady  Zoom on Aine Brady  Brady, Áine. Information on Cyprian Brady  Zoom on Cyprian Brady  Brady, Cyprian.
Information on Johnny Brady  Zoom on Johnny Brady  Brady, Johnny. Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John.
Information on Thomas Byrne  Zoom on Thomas Byrne  Byrne, Thomas. Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara.
Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat. Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall.
Information on Margaret Conlon  Zoom on Margaret Conlon  Conlon, Margaret. Information on Sean Connick  Zoom on Sean Connick  Connick, Seán.
Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Coughlan, Mary. Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  Cowen, Brian.
Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Cregan, John. Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  Cuffe, Ciarán.
Information on John Curran  Zoom on John Curran  Curran, John. Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel.
Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy. Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Dooley, Timmy.
Information on Frank Fahey  Zoom on Frank Fahey  Fahey, Frank. Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael.
Information on Michael Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Michael Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Michael. Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán.
Information on Beverley Cooper-Flynn  Zoom on Beverley Cooper-Flynn  Flynn, Beverley. Information on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Zoom on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Gogarty, Paul.
Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Gormley, John. Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel.
Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  Harney, Mary. Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán.
Information on Jackie Healy-Rae  Zoom on Jackie Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Jackie. Information on Máire Hoctor  Zoom on Máire Hoctor  Hoctor, Máire.
Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy. Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter.
Information on Brendan Kenneally  Zoom on Brendan Kenneally  Kenneally, Brendan. Information on Michael Kennedy  Zoom on Michael Kennedy  Kennedy, Michael.
Information on Tony Killeen  Zoom on Tony Killeen  Killeen, Tony. Information on Michael Kitt  Zoom on Michael Kitt  Kitt, Michael P.
Information on Tom Kitt  Zoom on Tom Kitt  Kitt, Tom. Information on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Zoom on Brian Joseph Lenihan  Lenihan, Brian.
Information on Conor Lenihan  Zoom on Conor Lenihan  Lenihan, Conor. Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael.
Information on Tom McEllistrim  Zoom on Tom McEllistrim  McEllistrim, Thomas. Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie.
Information on John McGuinness  Zoom on John McGuinness  McGuinness, John. Information on Dr Martin Mansergh  Zoom on Dr Martin Mansergh  Mansergh, Martin.
Information on John Moloney  Zoom on John Moloney  Moloney, John. Information on Michael Moynihan  Zoom on Michael Moynihan  Moynihan, Michael.
Information on Michael Mulcahy  Zoom on Michael Mulcahy  Mulcahy, Michael. Information on M. J. Nolan  Zoom on M. J. Nolan  Nolan, M. J.
Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Darragh O'Brien  Zoom on Darragh O'Brien  O’Brien, Darragh. Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  O’Connor, Charlie.
Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O’Dea, Willie. Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel.
Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  O’Hanlon, Rory. Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt.
Information on Ned O'Keeffe  Zoom on Ned O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Edward. Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  O’Rourke, Mary.
Information on Christy O'Sullivan  Zoom on Christy O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Christy. Information on Peter Power  Zoom on Peter Power  Power, Peter.
Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Power, Seán. Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Roche, Dick.
Information on Eamon Ryan  Zoom on Eamon Ryan  Ryan, Eamon. Information on Trevor Sargent  Zoom on Trevor Sargent  Sargent, Trevor.
Information on Eamon Scanlon  Zoom on Eamon Scanlon  Scanlon, Eamon. Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan.
Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Treacy, Noel. Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary.
Information on Mary Alexandra White  Zoom on Mary Alexandra White  White, Mary Alexandra. Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael.



Níl
Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Barrett, Seán. Information on Joe Behan  Zoom on Joe Behan  Behan, Joe.
Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat. Information on Ulick Burke  Zoom on Ulick Burke  Burke, Ulick.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe.
Information on Deirdre Clune  Zoom on Deirdre Clune  Clune, Deirdre. Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul.
Information on Noel Coonan  Zoom on Noel Coonan  Coonan, Noel J. Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Costello, Joe.
Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Crawford, Seymour. Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael.
Information on Michael D'Arcy  Zoom on Michael D'Arcy  D’Arcy, Michael. Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank.
Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  Ferris, Martin. Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles.
Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  Flanagan, Terence. Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian.
Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  Hayes, Tom. Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Higgins, Michael D.
Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil. Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan.
Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul. Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán.
Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen. Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  McCormack, Pádraic.
Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane. Information on Dinny McGinley  Zoom on Dinny McGinley  McGinley, Dinny.
Information on Liz McManus  Zoom on Liz McManus  McManus, Liz. Information on Olivia Mitchell  Zoom on Olivia Mitchell  Mitchell, Olivia.
Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  Morgan, Arthur. Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus. Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus.
Information on Jim O'Keeffe  Zoom on Jim O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Jim. Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O’Mahony, John.
Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan. Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Maureen.
Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Penrose, Willie. Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John.
Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí. Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.
Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  Reilly, James. Information on Michael Ring  Zoom on Michael Ring  Ring, Michael.
Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  Shatter, Alan. Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Sheahan, Tom.
Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Seán. Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín.
Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet. Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David.
Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy. Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna.
Information on Mary Upton  Zoom on Mary Upton  Upton, Mary. Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Pat Carey and John Cregan; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg.

Question declared carried.

  [823]11 o’clock

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  On promised legislation and in particular the forthcoming budget and promised finance and social welfare Bills that will follow, does the Tánaiste agree that the Minister for Finance, Deputy Brian Lenihan, had an unusual hang-dog expression on his face on the televised portion of the press conference of the Secretary General of the OECD, who launched its report on Ireland yesterday? Does she acknowledge that the report, which the Minister for Finance, Deputy Lenihan, praised as “an excellent analysis of our disastrous economic plight” is nothing other than a devastating indictment of the total incompetence of this and previous Fianna Fáil-led Governments?

Does the Tánaiste accept the report which the Minister for Finance, Deputy Lenihan, describes as “a good, realistic, sober document” depicts the abject failure of the Taoiseach and Minister for Finance and of this Government to take the necessary remedial action in each of the budgets since May 2007 to tackle the economic plight of this country? Will the Tánaiste acknowledge——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Is legislation promised in this area?

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  I am coming to it. Will the Tánaiste acknowledge that her Government is not only surrendering the independence of this Republic to outside agencies like the OECD, but has abdicated leadership to them so that when, and if, hard measures are introduced in the forthcoming budget, instead of accepting responsibility for what it is doing, it will blame agencies and bodies outside this State? Will the Tánaiste tell us, how soon after 9 December, when the budget will be announced, the finance and social welfare Bills will be published? Does she know on what date the Government will——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy should table parliamentary questions on these matters.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  My questions relate to forthcoming legislation. We are entitled to know when the legislation will be published. Will it be published in January or February and when can we expect that the predicted harsh measures that the OECD have told the Government this State requires will be implemented? I will conclude by asking the Tánaiste——

Deputy Seán Power: Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Please do.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  ——if she will explain to the House why the job creation task force has met only once in nine months in circumstances in which we have 420,000 unemployed people in this State? Will that task force submit a report to this House for debate?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The remarks of the Secretary General of the OECD are a matter for the OECD. The Secretary General took the opportunity to meet a number of Government representatives in the context of a number of documents launched by him, including one on activation measures about which I had some serious discussions with him. All Members of the House would be of the view that the OECD provides robust analysis not only of our economy, but of many other economies in the world. The views expressed are those of the OECD and not the Government.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  The Government ignored its warnings in 2005 and 2006.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Regarding the finance Bill, a statutory period applies in respect of its publication following the announcement of the budget. Regarding the social welfare Bill, its publication will depend on whether matters are required to be provided for in a legislative frame[824]work prior to 1 January 2010. A decision in this regard has not yet been made by the Government.

The high level group on labour market issues is made up of representatives of the social partners and it has held a number of meetings. These are part of——

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  Why is it reported that the task force met only once?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Tánaiste, without interruption please.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  ——ongoing, almost weekly discussions, that the Cabinet sub-committee has——

Deputy Damien English: Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  The task force met only once.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  ——with the high level group and at ministerial level in the context of the Cabinet committee on the economy. While much of the work is done by the group, the main work is done by the Cabinet sub-committee.

Deputy Damien English: Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  Will the Minister clarify if the task force met only once?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  My officials and I meet on a constant basis, in the context of activation measures, with the social partners and have done so only recently.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  Those involved see each other every day.

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  I wish to raise two issues with the Tánaiste. In September 2008, the Chairman of the Joint Committee on the Constitutional Amendment on Children issued, on behalf of that committee, an agreed statement on the need for the introduction of legislation to deal with the issue of soft information in regard to allegations of child sexual abuse. The chairperson, Deputy Mary O’Rourke, stated that such legislation could be easily and readily implemented and did not require a constitutional amendment. This matter has slipped back on the Government’s legislative programme to some time in 2010 or later. What is the Government’s intention in regard to this important legislation? There are times when this House has no business. As this matter has been agreed by the all-party committee, why can this legislation, which is important in terms of protecting children, not be brought forward as a matter of urgency?

An announcement was made yesterday by Government about a pre-budget outlook statement and, possibly, a debate in this regard in the House. Pre-budget outlook statements were first introduced in 2007——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Is the Deputy asking about promised legislation in this area?

Deputy Joan Burton: Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  I remind the Tánaiste that the first pre-budget outlook statement was introduced on 18 October 2007. When will we receive this statement which we will need time to debate in this House? Given this year’s budget decisions are of life and death importance to people throughout the country, it is poor, in terms of this House, that the Government appears to be long-fingering this important debate and the production of Estimates.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  On the first question, the heads of that Bill are being worked on. The Minister of State, Deputy Barry Andrews, is anxious to have the legislation brought before Cabinet as quickly as possible. On the pre-budget outlook statement, it will be published on 12 November 2009.

[825]Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  It has been reported this week that at least one person has been imprisoned by the courts for failure to pay debts——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Is legislation promised in this area?

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  There is. Perhaps the Ceann Comhairle will allow me to finish the sentence. It has been reported this week that at least one person has been imprisoned by the courts for failure to pay debts in respect of either a credit card or financial institution loan. This is happening to at least one person every day since the introduction by Government of the bailout for the banking institutions.

The renewed programme for Government, with which the Ceann Comhairle will be familiar, was agreed by Fianna Fáil and the Green Party and gives a commitment to ensuring that the imprisonment of debtors and fine defaulters is used only as a penalty of last resort and will, in general, attempt to ensure that prison is the option of last resort for non-serious crime. What further legislative action will the Government take in respect of this commitment in the renewed programme for Government? Has the Government noted that the Law Reform Commission has urged it to introduce legislation to end imprisonment for the non-payment of debt? What steps are being taken to address this serious and scandalous situation?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has advised me that as of Tuesday, no one is in prison in this country for debt. As the Deputy knows, the court enforcement legislation was brought forward in the House and the Law Reform Commission has undertaken consultation in the context of providing more legislative measures to ensure incarceration of people for debt will only be a last resort. Work is ongoing with the Minister in this regard.

Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  When does the Tánaiste expect that legislation will be brought forward?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  As soon as the Law Reform Commission has finished its consultation process, we will be able to move.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  In light of the fact that young people cannot get cardiac surgery, that older people cannot avail of their right to fair home——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Will the Deputy advise us what legislation is involved in this matter?

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  This is an extremely important issue.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Yes, but there are alternative ways of raising it, for example by parliamentary question or on the Adjournment.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  People are waiting in hospital beds and cannot get their forms dealt with. This issue is covered under the area of eligibility for health and personal services. The issue must be clarified and the rights of people must be acknowledged.

It is important that we consider the issue of the export of live cattle, particularly export across the Border to factories in Northern Ireland. This affects prices here.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  There is no legislation promised in this area.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Of course there is. I am sorry, but I have a right to speak on this matter as it is an issue for us.

[826]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  There are other ways of getting information.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  I beg to differ, but there is relevant legislation. The Veterinary Practice Bill 2004 could allow us deal with some of the issues vets deal with.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The veterinary practices (amendment) Bill is part of a consultation process currently. There is no date for the other piece of legislation.

Deputy Terence Flanagan: Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  No. 58 on the legislative programme, reform of financial regulatory structures Bill, will deal with replacing the existing structures of the Central Bank and the Financial Services Authority of Ireland with a new Central Bank commission. It is stated on the Order Paper that it is not possible to indicate a date for this. I would have thought this was urgent legislation that should be prioritised and introduced immediately. It was because we had light touch regulation and the Financial Regulator was asleep that our banks are almost bankrupt and the country is in such a bad state. I hope the Tánaiste can provide a date for the introduction of this critical legislation.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I am aware the Department is working on this legislation, but the Minister is not in a position to advise when he will be able to bring it to Government.

Deputy Terence Flanagan: Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  Will it be before Christmas?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I doubt it.

Deputy Terence Flanagan: Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  That is a disgrace.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  We have a budget and NAMA to get through first.

Deputy David Stanton: Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  The last factory in the once thriving town of Youghal, Tytex, is to close with a loss of 80 jobs.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy is aware we should be raising issues to do with legislation. He can avail of the Adjournment to raise this issue.

Deputy David Stanton: Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  The only hope the town has is the greyhound industry, which is dependent on the greyhound track in Youghal — which is falling down — getting some sort of a grant. I would like to see the greyhound industry (amendment) Bill brought forward so that we can discuss the matter. It is the only hope the town has now. Once the town had 2,000 jobs, but now it has virtually none.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Some legal issues have arisen with regard to the greyhound legislation, so I will ask the Minister to advise the Deputy on the situation.

Deputy Ciarán Lynch: Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  The Land and Conveyancing Law Reform Bill which was passed by the House in July contained a specific measure to do with upward-only rent reviews. This amendment was unusual in that it was grafted onto the Bill. When will the Bill be commenced and will all sections, including the section dealing with upward-only rent reviews, be part of the commencement?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I have had discussions with the Minister in this regard. He is considering the situation and hopes to be in a position to make a final determination before the end of the year.

Deputy Ciarán Lynch: Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  To clarify, I understand that the Minister’s position is that the Bill will be commenced on 1 December. However, there is some ambiguity with regard to the [827]specific section dealing with upward-only rent reviews. Can the Tánaiste clarify the situation with regard to that section? Will it be commenced along with the other sections of the Bill?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I am aware a parliamentary reply was given on this legislation. I have had discussions with the Minister on the issue. He has a number of matters to consider and, as indicated, he will not be in a position to sign it for a short period. There has been no final determination, but I will ask the Minister to speak directly to the Deputy.

Deputy Phil Hogan: Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  I have a number of questions with regard to when legislation relating to the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government will be published. Legislation allowing for elections for the promised directly elected mayor of Dublin to be held in 2010 was expected this session. When will that legislation be published? Also, when will we have the noise pollution Bill and the control of dogs Bill?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The control of dogs Bill and the noise pollution Bill will be published this session. The legislation to provide for a directly elected mayor will be published early next year.

Deputy Phil Hogan: Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Therefore, we will not have the elections.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The Bill will be published early next year.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  The Tánaiste protests her commitment to job creation, notwithstanding the fact the Cabinet sub-committee only met once in 2009. On the other hand, in order to appease Fianna Fáil’s partners in Government, the Tánaiste proposes to eliminate some 80 jobs in the fur farming industry, some of which are in her own constituency in Donegal.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy must find another way of dealing with this issue.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  When will the Government bring forward legislation to put those 80 people employed in the fur farming industry out of business? Given that the industry is compliant with all licence and regulation provisions, both national and EU regulations, has the Government taken advice from the Attorney General on the proposal? I draw the Tánaiste’s attention to her comments on this matter on a debate in the House in 2005.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I am glad the Deputy was listening to me. This is a matter for the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food. It is up to him to consider whether legislation is necessary.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  It is a disgrace to put 80 people on the dole when jobs are scarce. It will cost the taxpayer a fortune.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Would it be possible to generate some enthusiasm with regard to introducing legislation to provide for the protection and exchange of information related to the endangerment, sexual exploitation or abuse or risk to children? Publication of legislation is expected in 2010. However, this is a matter of urgency and would it be possible to introduce it sooner?

The Taoiseach indicated previously that work was in hand on the company law consolidation and reform Bill. What progress has been made on this and can the Tánaiste indicate when it may come to the House? The information we have so far is that publication is expected but that it is not possible to indicate when we can expect it.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  As I have indicated on a number of occasions, this is significant legislation. It will be next year before I will be in a position to bring it to the House.

[828]Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  What progress has been made on it? Is anything happening currently?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Considerable progress has been made and we have had to introduce a number of amendments following submissions made by interested parties, including Members of the Oireachtas. With regard to the legislation relating to risk to children, the heads of the Bill are being worked on with a view to getting the legislation to the House as quickly as possible.

Deputy Seán Barrett: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Is the Tánaiste aware there are three Bills in the course of preparation which, if we are serious about dealing with the current financial crisis, should be given priority? These are the financial services regulation Bill, the reform of financial regulatory structures Bill and the financial services Bill. The white sheet that was circulated states that it is not possible to indicate when publication of those Bill is expected. Are we serious about getting our house in order? We are dealing with legislation for NAMA at present, a result of financial institutions not carrying out their business in a proper fashion but here we have Bills that are not priorities. I understood reform of the regulatory system was a priority yet there is no sign of it here. It is not possible to indicate at this stage when these Bills will even be published. Are we serious about reform of the regulatory system? Does the Tánaiste have any intention of putting the skids under the Minister for Finance to get him to publish these Bills as soon as possible?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I will relay that message to the Minister for Finance.

Deputy Seán Barrett: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I thank the Tánaiste. I ask her to do something about it.

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  I understand it is the intention to bring the Adoption Bill to this House on 18 November. The interpretation in the Bill as agreed in the Seanad is more restrictive than the Hague Convention. It does not provide for transitional arrangements for people who are advanced in the adoption process with countries that have not ratified the Hague Convention and it does not provide for bilateral agreements with a country such as Ethiopia, which may not be able to ratify the convention because it cannot afford it.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  That legislation is before the Seanad.

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  It has finished in the Seanad, it is coming to us and I would like to clarify when it will come before the House and if the Government intends to broaden the legislation. It would be useful if we could have a briefing to know if the Minister intends to address those issues that are of huge concern to many people who are contacting Members on all sides.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I will ask the Minister to facilitate that.

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan: Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  Will the Bill come before the House on 18 November?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  It will come in that week. I will get back to the Deputy with the exact date.

Deputy Joe Costello: Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Has the Government responded to the complaint made by the Equality and Rights Alliance to the European Commission on the 43% budget cut for the Equality Authority on the basis of a breach of the European race equality directive? Any issue raised with the Commission must get a response from the Government. It appears that it is now impossible for the Equality Authority to conduct its business and, therefore, it is no longer a functioning agency under the terms of the race directive.

[829]The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I will revert to the Deputy as I am not aware of any response.

Deputy Tom Sheahan: Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  I will ask the Tánaiste an easy one, or one she should have the answer to anyway. The terms of the European fishery fund are from 2007 to 2013. What obstacles are preventing the implementation of the operational programme for fisheries? Co-funding is there to be drawn down. It is November 2009 but we still have not implemented the operational programme for fisheries.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  It is an ideological argument between the Green Party and Fianna Fáil.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  No, work is ongoing between the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and the European Commission. The Commission has expressed serious concerns about the operational programme. It is working through those on the basis of having mapping completed of Natura 2000 sites and it is hoped that on that basis, the Commission will allow the operational programme to be sanctioned. I empathise with the absolute necessity to expedite this, which the Minister is hoping to do.

Deputy Tom Sheahan: Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Is the Tánaiste referring to Natura 2000?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Yes.

Deputy Tom Sheahan: Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  We are making headway with that in 2009. That is good going.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  I remember the nitrates directive taking ten years.

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  That was on the Tánaiste’s watch as Minister for Agriculture and Food. In the meantime the farmers were in debt up to their oxters.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  On promised legislation, there was one thing the Tánaiste said in reply to me that should be clarified. In the context of the promised social welfare Bill that will emerge from the budget, that Bill is usually not published until the following February. Is the Tánaiste indicating to the House that there is a possibility the Bill will be published immediately after the budget and guillotined in the House before Christmas?

If that is the case, having guillotined the NAMA Bill today, could the Tánaiste indicate to us if the second programme for Government between Fianna Fáil and the Green Party has been abandoned in the context of any promised Dáil reform? Guillotining the NAMA Bill today flies in the face of any commitment to such reform.

The Minister of State with responsibility for children has promised to publish a Bill to give statutory effect to the Children First child protection guidelines that have been in place since 1999 but which have no statutory footing. The HSE published a report yesterday to show that even in 2008, with all we have learned about children at risk and child abuse, there has been an abject failure by the HSE to ensure its employees comply with the Children First guidelines. A total of 24,668 children were reported in 2008 to be at risk but only 15,364 had their circumstances assessed, leaving more than 9,000 reported to be at risk ignored by the HSE. It is urgent that the child protection guidelines are given statutory effect. Could the Tánaiste ask the Minister of State to prioritise this and not leave it until the end of 2010 or 2011, and that this Bill be published as soon as possible?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The Minister of State is anxious to bring in a child care amendment Bill that will put a new scheme in place on a statutory basis.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  That is different.

[830]The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  He is working through a considerable number of commitments he has given in the context of new child care policy and the appointment of additional social workers to the service. I am not sure of a date but I will revert to the Deputy.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  What about the social welfare Bill? Also, it is scandalous that the HSE, the primary body involved in child protection in the country, is continuing to fail to comply with the Government’s child protection guidelines. It would not be tolerated in any other country in the European Union.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Until such time as the Government has decided on the budget, I am not in a position to say when the social welfare Bill will be before the House.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  Could it be published before Christmas?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Of course. If we must introduce measures that have an impact from 1 January, a social welfare Bill must be introduced prior to Christmas. It all depends on the decisions the Government will make and we must wait until the day of the budget to find them out.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  So the projected social welfare cuts may be implemented by 1 January and we may have a social welfare Bill guillotined in this House some time between 9 and 18 December.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy is anticipating the legislation and it is not possible to be specific at this stage.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  This is an important issue. It has never happened before that a social welfare Bill has been published within a week of a budget. Is this the Government agenda? Will the social welfare Bill be put through the House before Christmas so cutbacks the Government intends to implement come into operation on 1 January?

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  The Deputy is making an assumption on the basis of something that has not been decided and, therefore, I am not in a position to advise the House.

Deputy Alan Shatter: Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  It has not been excluded.

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  I support Deputy Stanton in his attempt to raise the issue of job losses in Youghal. It is a fright to God——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  There are so many other ways the Deputy could bring this issue to the floor of the House.

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  ——that we have to use the greyhound legislation to raise an issue related to our local constituencies, when the only other two avenues open to us to raise it are an Adjournment debate or under Standing Order 32.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy could table a special notice question or a parliamentary question.

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  It is time to reform this House and to introduce new rules and regulations to allow us to raise such issues on the Order of Business.

This is the tenth time I have asked if the Government has any intention of publishing the animal welfare Bill. If it has no intention of publishing it, it should just say so.

The Tánaiste: Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  There is no date for that Bill, as the Deputy is aware. I can ask the Minister to provide an updated briefing on what this Bill entails with the relevant people in the Depart[831]ment. As a former Minister for Agriculture and Food, I know this will have a significant impact on the way we deal with veterinary medicine and animal husbandry. Consultation is taking place on that basis, working through best practice. It might be prudent for the Minister to facilitate a briefing on the progress of this Bill.


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