Order of Business (Resumed).

Tuesday, 16 February 2010

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 702 No. 2

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Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I would like to bring to the Chair’s attention that the Fine Gael spokesperson on justice, equality and law reform merely said that he hoped that the Ceann Comhairle’s office——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We have dealt with the matter now.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  We have not dealt with it.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We are proceeding with the Order of Business. I call the Taoiseach.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  All the Deputy said was that he hoped that the Ceann Comhairle’s office was not complicit in this matter——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  There was clear implication it was.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  All he said was that he hoped that the Ceann Comhairle’s office was not complicit. The Ceann Comhairle is wrong on this.

Deputy Noel Dempsey: Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  That is an insinuation. The Deputy knew exactly what he was doing.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  I would like to reply. As the Ceann Comhairle said, the facility of a personal explanation is available to a Member in the House under Standing Orders and if there were any requirement — and I believe there should not be — for political or other reasons to bring a motion to the House, that is a matter for other Members to consider.

Deputy Kenny referred to standards. I believe in standards. The Cabinet Handbook and the Code of Conduct for Office Holders refers to people in the performance of their duties. I obviously also accept that in regard to their private capacity, I expect Ministers to ensure where an error occurs, it is rectified, it is apologised for——

Deputy Leo Varadkar: Information on Leo Varadkar  Zoom on Leo Varadkar  When they are caught out on tape.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  ——and it is accepted by the party concerned. There is an acceptance by the party concerned not in terms of how it is interpreted in this House that Deputy O’Dea acted innocently——

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  He had it done under duress.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Taoiseach, without interruption.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  The Deputies do not want to hear this quote because it does not suit their political purposes. That is their problem and that is the standard they go by.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  They did it to George Lee last week. Poor George.

Deputy James Reilly: Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  He did not fall out of any tree the Minister was looking up.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  However, the standard I want to explain is where a person admits an error and acts in good faith once the error is drawn to his or her attention and obtains the agreement of the party concerned that he or she acted innocently in the matter. Despite Deputy Rabbitte’s guffawing, I will quote from the settlement. It is not suggested——

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  He has been lying in here for 25 years.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  No; the lies are in The Lost Revolution.

[251]Deputies:  Hear, hear.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  I read it over Christmas and the Deputy was fairly prominent in it.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  The Deputy did not welcome the INLA decommissioning.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  I ask him to leave it. Let us not talk about lies or untruths.

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  The Deputy did not welcome the INLA decommissioning, did he?

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  It is not suggested by Mr. Quinlivan——

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Neither did Deputy Gilmore or Lady Wicklow. They were very quiet.

Deputy Kathleen Lynch: Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  It was SR Technics the Taoiseach should have been reading about.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  ——that Deputy O’Dea acted other than innocently in making such a denial, and he accepts — that is, the party concerned accepts — that there was no intention to mislead on the part of Deputy O’Dea.

Deputy Brian Hayes: Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Are these the taxi drivers?

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  Those are the standards I expect from a person when an error is made.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  He did not sign the affidavit.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  He is admitting to it and is attempting to solve the problem and deal with it to the satisfaction of the aggrieved person.

Deputy Brian Hayes: Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  He was caught out.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  That is what I expect.

Deputy Enda Kenny: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  That is not good enough.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We are proceeding with the Order of Business. I have an amendment from Deputy Kenny which is not in order. It is the Taoiseach’s prerogative under Standing Orders to introduce the proposal for the Order of Business.

Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with Nos. 10 and 11, without debate, be agreed to.”

The Dáil divided: Tá, 76; Níl, 65.

Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  Ahern, Dermot. Information on Michael Ahern  Zoom on Michael Ahern  Ahern, Michael.
Information on Noel Ahern  Zoom on Noel Ahern  Ahern, Noel. Information on Barry Andrews  Zoom on Barry Andrews  Andrews, Barry.
Information on Chris Andrews  Zoom on Chris Andrews  Andrews, Chris. Information on Seán Ardagh  Zoom on Seán Ardagh  Ardagh, Seán.
Information on Bobby Aylward  Zoom on Bobby Aylward  Aylward, Bobby. Information on Joe Behan  Zoom on Joe Behan  Behan, Joe.
Information on Niall Blaney  Zoom on Niall Blaney  Blaney, Niall. Information on Aine Brady  Zoom on Aine Brady  Brady, Áine.
Information on Cyprian Brady  Zoom on Cyprian Brady  Brady, Cyprian. Information on Johnny Brady  Zoom on Johnny Brady  Brady, Johnny.
Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John. Information on Thomas Byrne  Zoom on Thomas Byrne  Byrne, Thomas.
Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara. Information on Pat Carey  Zoom on Pat Carey  Carey, Pat.
Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall. Information on Margaret Conlon  Zoom on Margaret Conlon  Conlon, Margaret.
Information on Sean Connick  Zoom on Sean Connick  Connick, Seán. Information on Mary Coughlan  Zoom on Mary Coughlan  Coughlan, Mary.
Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  Cowen, Brian. Information on John Cregan  Zoom on John Cregan  Cregan, John.
Information on Ciaran Cuffe  Zoom on Ciaran Cuffe  Cuffe, Ciarán. Information on Martin Cullen  Zoom on Martin Cullen  Cullen, Martin.
Information on John Curran  Zoom on John Curran  Curran, John. Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  Dempsey, Noel.
Information on Jimmy Devins  Zoom on Jimmy Devins  Devins, Jimmy. Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Dooley, Timmy.
Information on Frank Fahey  Zoom on Frank Fahey  Fahey, Frank. Information on Michael Finneran  Zoom on Michael Finneran  Finneran, Michael.
Information on Michael Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Michael Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Michael. Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Seán.
Information on Beverley Cooper-Flynn  Zoom on Beverley Cooper-Flynn  Flynn, Beverley. Information on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Zoom on Paul Nicholas Gogarty  Gogarty, Paul.
Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Gormley, John. Information on Noel Grealish  Zoom on Noel Grealish  Grealish, Noel.
Information on Mary Hanafin  Zoom on Mary Hanafin  Hanafin, Mary. Information on Mary Harney  Zoom on Mary Harney  Harney, Mary.
Information on Seán Haughey  Zoom on Seán Haughey  Haughey, Seán. Information on Jackie Healy-Rae  Zoom on Jackie Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Jackie.
Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy. Information on Peter Kelly  Zoom on Peter Kelly  Kelly, Peter.
Information on Brendan Kenneally  Zoom on Brendan Kenneally  Kenneally, Brendan. Information on Michael Kennedy  Zoom on Michael Kennedy  Kennedy, Michael.
Information on Tony Killeen  Zoom on Tony Killeen  Killeen, Tony. Information on Michael Kitt  Zoom on Michael Kitt  Kitt, Michael P.
Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael. Information on Tom McEllistrim  Zoom on Tom McEllistrim  McEllistrim, Thomas.
Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie. Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael.
Information on John McGuinness  Zoom on John McGuinness  McGuinness, John. Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Martin, Micheál.
Information on John Moloney  Zoom on John Moloney  Moloney, John. Information on Michael Moynihan  Zoom on Michael Moynihan  Moynihan, Michael.
Information on Michael Mulcahy  Zoom on Michael Mulcahy  Mulcahy, Michael. Information on M. J. Nolan  Zoom on M. J. Nolan  Nolan, M.J.
Information on Éamon Ó Cuív  Zoom on Éamon Ó Cuív  Ó Cuív, Éamon. Information on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Zoom on Seán Ó Fearghaíl  Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
Information on Charlie O'Connor  Zoom on Charlie O'Connor  O’Connor, Charlie. Information on Willie O'Dea  Zoom on Willie O'Dea  O’Dea, Willie.
Information on John O'Donoghue  Zoom on John O'Donoghue  O’Donoghue, John. Information on Noel O'Flynn  Zoom on Noel O'Flynn  O’Flynn, Noel.
Information on Rory O'Hanlon  Zoom on Rory O'Hanlon  O’Hanlon, Rory. Information on Batt O'Keeffe  Zoom on Batt O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Batt.
Information on Ned O'Keeffe  Zoom on Ned O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Edward. Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  O’Rourke, Mary.
Information on Christy O'Sullivan  Zoom on Christy O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Christy. Information on Seán Power  Zoom on Seán Power  Power, Seán.
Information on Dick Roche  Zoom on Dick Roche  Roche, Dick. Information on Eamon Ryan  Zoom on Eamon Ryan  Ryan, Eamon.
Information on Eamon Scanlon  Zoom on Eamon Scanlon  Scanlon, Eamon. Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan.
Information on Noel Treacy  Zoom on Noel Treacy  Treacy, Noel. Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary.
Information on Mary Alexandra White  Zoom on Mary Alexandra White  White, Mary Alexandra. Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael.



Níl
Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Barrett, Seán. Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat.
Information on Thomas P. Broughan  Zoom on Thomas P. Broughan  Broughan, Thomas P. Information on Ulick Burke  Zoom on Ulick Burke  Burke, Ulick.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Catherine Byrne  Zoom on Catherine Byrne  Byrne, Catherine.
Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe. Information on Deirdre Clune  Zoom on Deirdre Clune  Clune, Deirdre.
Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul. Information on Noel Coonan  Zoom on Noel Coonan  Coonan, Noel J.
Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Costello, Joe. Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon.
Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Crawford, Seymour. Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael.
Information on Lucinda Creighton  Zoom on Lucinda Creighton  Creighton, Lucinda. Information on Michael D'Arcy  Zoom on Michael D'Arcy  D’Arcy, Michael.
Information on John Deasy  Zoom on John Deasy  Deasy, John. Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Olwyn Enright  Zoom on Olwyn Enright  Enright, Olwyn.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  Ferris, Martin.
Information on Terence Flanagan  Zoom on Terence Flanagan  Flanagan, Terence. Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Gilmore, Eamon.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  Hayes, Tom.
Information on Michael D. Higgins  Zoom on Michael D. Higgins  Higgins, Michael D. Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil.
Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan. Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul.
Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán. Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen.
Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  McCormack, Pádraic. Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane.
Information on Dinny McGinley  Zoom on Dinny McGinley  McGinley, Dinny. Information on Finian McGrath  Zoom on Finian McGrath  McGrath, Finian.
Information on Liz McManus  Zoom on Liz McManus  McManus, Liz. Information on Olivia Mitchell  Zoom on Olivia Mitchell  Mitchell, Olivia.
Information on Arthur Morgan  Zoom on Arthur Morgan  Morgan, Arthur. Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis.
Information on Michael Noonan  Zoom on Michael Noonan  Noonan, Michael. Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus. Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Kieran.
Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus. Information on Jim O'Keeffe  Zoom on Jim O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Jim.
Information on Brian O'Shea  Zoom on Brian O'Shea  O’Shea, Brian. Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan.
Information on Maureen O'Sullivan  Zoom on Maureen O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Maureen. Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Penrose, Willie.
Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John. Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí.
Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat. Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Sheahan, Tom.
Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Seán. Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín.
Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet. Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David.
Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy. Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna.
Information on Mary Upton  Zoom on Mary Upton  Upton, Mary. Information on Leo Varadkar  Zoom on Leo Varadkar  Varadkar, Leo.
Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.  

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Pat Carey and John Cregan; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg.

[253]Question declared carried.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Is the proposal for dealing with Private Members’ business agreed?

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  On that point, I understand that a statement will be made at 7 p.m., the time at which Private Members’ business was to start. How does this affect the order to finish Private Members’ time at 8.30 p.m.? Will the statement time be taken from the Private Members’ business slot?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The statement will be before 7 p.m.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  At what time?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It depends on how we get on now. We have some more business to transact.

Deputy Seymour Crawford: Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  That is no answer.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  He wants an opportunity to record it.

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It will be as soon as possible. We have a special notice question with which to deal.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  I cannot hear the Ceann Comhairle.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We have a special notice question to deal with and it may take some time.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Has the Ceann Comhairle an indication of the time at which the statement will start?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It is intended that it will be before 7 p.m.

Deputy Olivia Mitchell: Information on Olivia Mitchell  Zoom on Olivia Mitchell  What time is that?

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  At what time exactly?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It is dependent on the special notice question, in which I am sure there is considerable interest, but it is intended to have it before 7 p.m.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Does the Minister intend to slip in and make the statement without telling us the time?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It is intended to be before 7 p.m.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  What is meant by “before 7 p.m.”?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Before 7 o’clock.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Does that mean at 6 o’clock? “Before 7 p.m.” includes 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. Does the Ceann Comhairle not know?

(Interruptions).

[254]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It will be at 6.55 p.m.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  At five minutes before 7 p.m.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Yes.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  On a point of order——

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  Deputy Kehoe without interruption.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  It was indicated this morning that the Minister, Deputy O’Dea, would make a statement after Private Members’ business. As Whip, I then got a message that the statement would be made at 7 p.m. Now we do not know when it will be made.

The Taoiseach: Information on Brian Cowen  Zoom on Brian Cowen  When the long hand is at 11 and the short hand is at 7.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  I do not accept——

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We will have it before 7 p.m.

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  May I finish? It is not acceptable——

(Interruptions).

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  It is not acceptable that the Minister could enter the Chamber on a whim at any time to make his statement. It is important that we nail down a time as to when he will be in the House making his statement.

A Deputy:  Burn the Sunday Independent.

Deputy Noel Dempsey: Information on Noel Dempsey  Zoom on Noel Dempsey  We will send Deputy Kehoe a text.

Deputy Jim O’Keeffe: Information on Jim O'Keeffe  Zoom on Jim O'Keeffe  Could the Minister send an affidavit instead?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We must move on.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Paul Kehoe: Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  At what time will the Minister make a statement? When will he be in the House?

Deputy Dermot Ahern: Information on Dermot Ahern  Zoom on Dermot Ahern  In due course.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We have indicated that a suitable time will be 6.55 p.m.

Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  That clashes with “Nob Nation”.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  We estimate that it will take the Minister approximately five minutes to make the statement. It will be immediately prior to Private Members’ business.

Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Can the Ceann Comhairle give a commitment that Private Members’ time will be 90 minutes? This is the only commitment we seek.

[255]A Deputy:  That is sacrosanct.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  It is intended to respect that. Is the proposal agreed? Agreed.


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