Wildlife (Amendment) Bill 2010: Second Stage (Resumed)

Tuesday, 29 June 2010

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 713 No. 4

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Question again proposed: “That the Bill be now read a Second Time.”

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  I propose to share my time with Deputies Bernard Durkan, Willie Penrose and Mary O’Rourke. As I spoke on this issue last week, I propose to yield to Deputy Durkan at this stage.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  I thank Deputy Sherlock. My two colleagues on either side want to speak for a minute or so and therefore I will cut short my time. I have no difficulty doing that if it is agreed. Deputies O’Rourke, Penrose, English and McCormack can speak and I will cut my time to the minimum, setting an example.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seamus Kirk  Zoom on Seamus Kirk  The Deputy has used about 30 seconds. At that rate——

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  I have been known to deliver orations in 30 seconds, as has the Ceann Comhairle, I am sure.

What concerns me most about this Bill is the attack on rural life. In recent years we have seen the gradual erosion of the rights and entitlements of people living in rural areas. For example, one can no longer cut turf, smoke or drink. One cannot drain land because all land must be a natural flood plain which eventually will rise and lift boats. One cannot build in rural areas. One is discouraged from building there because it is bad for society, and in general. One cannot shoot. If one applies for a gun licence, one must get a character reference from a reputable person who is not a member of the Garda Síochána — an extraordinary situation.

One cannot keep dogs. One cannot hunt. One cannot fish for eel. There is an extraordinary point related to that which greatly troubles me. When the European Commission issued a directive to the effect that individual member states should introduce conservation measures for the protection of eels, every other European country did just that. The Joint Committee on European Affairs repeatedly tried to encourage the relevant Minister, the colleague of the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Gormley, to bring the measure before both Houses and the committee before he made a decision but the Minister treated the committee with contempt and refused point blank to have anything to do with it or to listen to members’ views. He went ahead and banned eel fishing throughout the country, arbitrarily and in a fashion I shall leave to Members to describe.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  The ban was for 90 years.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  It was for 90 years. Ireland was the only European country to do that. I cannot understand what has gone wrong. I do not hunt but there are many people who do.

Deputy Seán Barrett: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  One can stay in bed.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  There are many who hunt because the tradition existed in this country. Times will change as time passes but at this moment what worries me most is that this is an illustration of what happens when a small group of people within Government seize power and their bigger brothers in Government do nothing to arrest their progress. They then decide to hold society to ransom. This is what is happening. It is grossly unfair and, without a shadow of doubt, it is undemocratic. Ordinarily, I would not be so exercised by this but I strongly oppose the attempt by this Government in this legislation to do what it proposes.

[793]Deputy Damien English: Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  I shall take a few seconds to register my opposition to this Bill and my support for the Ward Union Hunt and hunts in general. I have spent all my life living beside the Meath Hunt and have watched it in operation. I watched how its members treat their dogs and run their business. I do not get a chance to follow or watch the Ward Union Hunt and its business but I know many of the people involved. They treat animals and operate in exactly the same way as the Meath Hunt. They have respect for animals and know what they are doing. They care for them and everything is done under proper conditions. From monitoring the hunt, I am glad to say it has reacted to urban living. It has made adjustments to how it does its business.

This is a misguided attempt to end something that is part of rural life. It is an attack on rural Ireland and is causing an unnecessary divide between rural and urban dwellers. The Minister is putting the fear of God into people who just want to be left alone to go about their business as they always have done, whether stag hunting, fox hunting, fishing, shooting or whatever interests them. Most people believe this is only the start and that the Minister fully intends to go further. He already has another wildlife Bill on the way in some months and God knows what will be added in that. It is unfair and wrong and is an abuse of power——

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Correct.

Deputy Damien English: Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  ——for the Minister to use his position to try to do this, forcing his opinion and that of a few on the majority. It is an abuse of power and is wrong.

Deputy Pádraic McCormack: Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  This is supposed to be a wildlife protection Bill; it is anything but. In his address the Minister referred to domestic deer. If he were really serious about wildlife, in which I am as interested as he is, he would take steps to eliminate the escaped mink that are destroying every aspect of wildlife throughout the country. The poor old deer never destroyed anything but I do not know why the Minister wants to protect them to the exclusion of protecting other species of wildlife which are being destroyed throughout the country.

In the past week or two, I have become suspicious about the mad rush and anxiety of the minor party in Government to get its Bills passed, including this one, and those on development and dog breeding. I warn Deputies this is a sign of an election. This party wants to clear the air and have its slate clean, having got its policies through even though Fianna Fáil is lying back, doing nothing.

I am not one bit impressed by the two Independent Deputies who today declared they would vote against this Bill. They made that declaration when they knew other Independents were supporting it and there was no chance of it being defeated. That is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Deputy Willie Penrose: Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  I speak as a Deputy who is deeply in touch with rural issues and a rural way of life and I strongly oppose the Wildlife (Amendment) Bill 2010, as proposed by the Minister, Deputy Gormley. Some of his amendments have actually added to the complexity. It will be a lawyers’ paradise.

The Bill before the House is historic in at least one respect, in that, to the best of my knowledge, it is the first occasion since the foundation of the State that a Government has brought a specific Bill before this House to outlaw a country sport. This is not a good day for rural Ireland. I respect the views of the many people who contact me to express their different views. That is part of the democratic participatory process but I do not bow to people in an orchestrated campaign. I will not be bullied, harassed or intimidated by extraterritorial e-mails and so on from outside the jurisdiction. I am well able to make up my own mind.

[794]This is a misguided Bill, in any event. Deputy English stated clearly there was no issue of welfare because of the detailed supervision of the Ward Union Hunt. This arose from the licensing regime which was put in place by my colleague, Deputy Michael D. Higgins. That was our policy at the time and it remains such. We will not allow the Green Party or any small segment of a party to misrepresent our policy here or anywhere else. Name-calling and vulgar abuse is what one is reduced to when one is on the losing side. We do not call anybody Father Ted but we could call an odd person Father Jack.

That is where the welfare issue lies. It is clear in any event that were there any such issue it could be addressed by means of the licensing conditions. No such issue arises. From an interview I heard the Minister give on radio last week it was clear he suffered a defeat in the High Court, in a judicial review. If people feel aggrieved by any matter they are entitled to bring it for review. That is why the courts are there and I laud the openness of the courts to deal with issues. The Minister said he had not gone away but that court determined the licensing conditions he had imposed were crazy, in any event. Now he is back with this blunt legislative instrument which illustrates a vengeful streak. That is what this amounts to and arises from the Minister not getting his own way in December 2007. If he felt there was an issue that needed to be addressed, why did he not consult with the key stakeholders in order to ensure the best approach was pursued? There is plenty of precedent for that. He sent his officials. I heard people on the radio say that the Minister was supposed to talk to them but I understand he did not do so. The Minister can say whether he did so.

When all else fails and the Minister’s argument does not stand up, he resorts to vulgar abuse and misinterpretation of the Labour Party policy. I will not allow him to do that for his own narrow gains, just because he is in a corner. He referred to such people as the “tally ho” brigade. Many people involved in hunting or country pursuits are like me. They were born in cottages in the heart of rural Ireland, with no land, no horses or hounds, no silver spoons, only a grá for country sports and the rural way of life. As young people we hunted rabbits in order to secure food or sell it at two shillings unskinned or half a crown skinned. That was what we had to do. We hunted foxes because of the damage they did to farmers when they raided hen houses throughout the country and picked out and killed lambs. This was lauded and actively encouraged by the county committees of agriculture. One got half a crown for a fox’s tail when one brought it in. That was another way we had to raise income. The Minister knows nothing about rural Ireland and nothing about the rural way of life.

This is a serious issue in rural areas, and the real target of those promoting this Bill is not the Ward Union Hunt, but other countryside activities and pursuits. The Minister should look at his own party’s welfare policy, which states:

Does the Minister want to get rid of us altogether? Will he take our blood and get rid of us altogether?

This Bill will hang around the Minister’s neck for a long time to come. Rural people will not forget. This is the thin edge of the wedge. I have heard from people representing him that the Minister wants to get rid of coursing proposals implemented by a previous Minister, which [795]were excellent. The Green Party was not satisfied and wanted to get rid of them. We say “No” to this today.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  If the people in the Visitors’ Gallery continue to clap like that, we will have to ask that they be removed.

Deputy Mary O’Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  I am glad to have the opportunity to speak and I thank Deputies Durkan and Sherlock for providing me with this time. I have participated in four coalition Governments, and many others in this Chamber have done so as well. When a party goes into a coalition, it signs up to a programme for Government and it sticks with it because that is its signature on the document. I remember being with the Labour Party in Government and I worked well with Deputy Quinn when he was Minister. There is give and take when a party is in a coaltion, and there is no point in saying otherwise.

We have all been receiving e-mails from RISE!, or Rural Ireland Says Enough!. I am here today because I come from a part of Ireland which fishes, hunts and shoots. I came with a mandate from there and they want me to say today that they understand if we signed up to a document, but that they will not entertain — nor will I nor will Fianna Fáil — any further inroads into rural pursuits.

Deputy Damien English: Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  That is a cop out.

Deputy Pádraic McCormack: Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  The Deputy has her chance.

Deputy Mary O’Rourke: Information on Mary O'Rourke  Zoom on Mary O'Rourke  We will not entertain it and we will not have it. I want to know exactly what could possibly be wrong with fishing, hunting or with the gun clubs whose members have approached me. They go about their normal pursuits as well.

While we recognise that we must stick with the programme for Government if we signed up to it, I do not know if there is any way the Minister can assuage those of us in the backbenches who do not believe that if he gets this under his belt he will be free to roam again among the hedgregrows, the fishing loughs and the streams where harmless pursuits are carried out. We believe in those harmless pursuits — as well as other pursuits which might not be as harmless — and the Minister will have to give a guarantee on the floor of the House that this Bill and the Bill to be taken next week — which he inherited from the former Minister, Deputy Dick Roche — will be the end of his ramblings in rural Ireland.

Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government (Deputy John Gormley): Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  I thank the Deputies for their contribution. I will try to be as brief as possible because we want to get onto the various amendments, but I want to start by saying that the position of the Labour Party is completely hypocritical. It is a fact, as we have the signatures and we know——

Deputy Willie Penrose: Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  The Minister should not talk to me about signatures. I was spokesperson on agriculture for nine years, so I know.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  The Deputy does not know.

Deputy Willie Penrose: Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Is the Minister trying to tell me that I do not know about these things when I was spokesperson for agriculture for nine years? I know more than him. The Minister is in a corner——

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  I am afraid the party in the corner on this one is the Labour Party. The Labour Party has come out unequivocally against blood sports.

[796]Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Deputy Penrose, allow the Minister to speak.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  The Labour Party leader put down a question to me in this House in 2007 and asked me specifically to ban the Ward Union Hunt. The party has an entirely different position tonight. That is what I call a U-turn.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  He asked the Minister what he was going to do with the Ward Union Hunt.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Deputies, please.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Can I have some protection here?

(Interruptions).

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Allow the Minister to speak.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Labour Party councillors in Dún Laoghaire Rathdown——

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Only six Deputies support this measure out of 166 in the House.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  You must allow the Minister to speak.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  The Labour Party Members do not allow freedom of speech either. They just want to shout me down on each and every issue.

Deputy Willie Penrose: Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  The Minister should address the Bill. That is his job.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Please. I ask the Minister to continue.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Labour Party councillors in Dún Laoghaire Rathdown County Council passed a motion calling on me to ban the Ward Union Hunt. That is a fact.

Deputy Brian Hayes: Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  The world does not revolve around Dún Laoghaire Rathdown.

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  This is a democracy and there is a wide range of views in our party. Does the Minister acknowledge that?

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  I have looked at the commitments given by individual members of the Labour Party, including Deputies McManus, Costello, Quinn and others who have stated clearly that they want the Ward Union Hunt banned.

Deputy Willie Penrose: Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  What has that go to do with the contents of the Bill?

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  I will tell you what it has to do with the Bill. This Bill is doing exactly that.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Minister, I ask you to talk through the Chair and not to draw comment from the rest of the House.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  With all due respect, I would like the protection of the Chair.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  You will get the protection if you speak through the Chair.

[797]Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  What we have had here is non-stop interruptions from colleagues across the floor.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Please talk through the Chair and I will deal with the other Deputies.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  I find what is going on here unacceptable in the extreme. We have people shouting me down at every opportunity.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Talk through the Chair and we will deal with matters as we go along.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Thank you, a Chaithoirligh. The misrepresentation that has taken place this evening has come again from the Deputies opposite. We have heard the phrase “the thin end of the wedge” used time and time again.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Is he including Deputy O’Rourke as well?

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Everybody who uses that phrase has misrepresented things. Chairperson, you will have to do something here because it is impossible to speak in this Chamber. I ask you for protection, if you do not mind.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  You have the protection of the Chair. Please continue.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  The idea that this Bill will somehow lead to the erosion of rural pursuits such as angling and shooting is entirely false.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Shane McEntee: Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  What about the photograph outside Fairyhouse?

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Please, allow the Minister to speak.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  That is nonsense. I can only take from the totally defensive position of the——

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  On a point of order, the Minister is misleading the House by saying that the Green Party has no policies other than this Bill on rural pursuits. That is simply not true.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  The most important part of the Bill is on Committee Stage, when people can put forward amendments and so on. The Deputies are eating into the time for Committee Stage and they are not allowing their own spokespersons to deal with it. I ask Deputies to allow the Minister to finish his summation and we will then move on to Committee Stage. They can all speak then if they so wish.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  The fact is that there are people in my own party who shoot and fish.

Deputy Pádraic McCormack: Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  They are keeping their heads down.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  One of them was on the radio today. It is entirely disingenuous of the Deputies opposite to conflate all of these issues. We are trying to bring in a fairly minor Bill that is only a few paragraphs long.

Deputy Pádraic McCormack: Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  Why does he not withdraw it?

[798]Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  We are trying to deal with this because not only are there animal welfare issues at stake here — it is clear that this is a domesticated animal that is being hunted — but there are also public safety issues.

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Did the Minister get advice from the Attorney General on that?

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  Of course I have every piece of advice that is available to me.

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  What is the Attorney General’s advice on that?

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Deputy Sherlock, please. The Deputy got his five minutes. He had his say. Amendments have been tabled to the Bill and if he wants to raise that issue when we come to discuss them, he can.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  The Labour Party is very defensive on this issue——

Deputy Willie Penrose: Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Not a bit.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  ——because its members know that their own people are dissatisfied.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  That is the Minister’s regular line on the matter.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  There are many Labour Party people who find the Deputy’s behaviour absolutely shameful. He has done a complete U-turn on this issue.

Deputy Tom Hayes: Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  The Minister should forget about the Labour Party. He should talk about the Fianna Fáil backbenchers he has been meeting for the past 24 hours.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  I would not expect anything from the Deputy anyway because his party is in disarray. This party is supposed to stand for something but it stands for absolutely nothing. It is sitting on the fence and Deputy Gilmore is a complete and utter coward. The man does not stand for anything.

(Interruptions).

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Three times last week we supported them. The Minister should get his facts right.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  It might interest the Deputies opposite, although it may not, to know that there was a similar debate in the House of Commons in March 1825. The British House of Commons debated a Bill——

Deputy Pat Breen: Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Where was the Green Party then?

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  ——and Deputy McCormack should note it was brought forward by a Galway MP, Dick Martin——

Deputy Tom Hayes: Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  That was before the foundation of the Green Party.

Acting Chairman (Deputy Jack Wall): Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Deputy Hayes, please desist.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  ——which sought to bring an end to the practices of bear baiting and bull baiting. From a quick read of the Hansard report of the debate, Members should note that the following arguments were used. It was stated at that time that this was a traditional rural pastime, that it was a trivial Bill, that the bears subject to the baiting were well cared for and [799]that it would lead to a ban on hunting, shooting and fishing. Some 180 years on we can see that exactly the same arguments are being dusted down and taken off the shelf in the debate on stag hunting——

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  We are not talking about bear baiting.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  ——and they are as unfounded in 2010 as they were in 1825.

Deputy Emmet Stagg: Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  We have the Minister’s word on what he will do.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  What we have here is a complete throw-back. This is an anachronism. The Deputies opposite represent the past. They represent an uncivilised mindset,——

Deputy Michael Creed: Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  The Minister should get off the stage.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  ——people who do not have an ounce of compassion. As for the Labour Party——

Deputy Seán Sherlock: Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  We are seeing the Minister’s true colours.

Deputy John Gormley: Information on John Gormley  Zoom on John Gormley  ——this is a shameful evening for it. I commend the Bill to the House.

(Interruptions).

Question put.

The Dáil divided: Tá, 73; Níl, 69.

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Information on Eamon Scanlon  Zoom on Eamon Scanlon  Scanlon, Eamon. Information on Brendan Smith  Zoom on Brendan Smith  Smith, Brendan.
Information on Mary Wallace  Zoom on Mary Wallace  Wallace, Mary. Information on Mary Alexandra White  Zoom on Mary Alexandra White  White, Mary Alexandra.
Information on Michael J. Woods  Zoom on Michael J. Woods  Woods, Michael.  


Níl
Information on James Bannon  Zoom on James Bannon  Bannon, James. Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Barrett, Seán.
Information on Joe Behan  Zoom on Joe Behan  Behan, Joe. Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat.
Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard. Information on Ulick Burke  Zoom on Ulick Burke  Burke, Ulick.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe.
Information on Deirdre Clune  Zoom on Deirdre Clune  Clune, Deirdre. Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul.
Information on Noel Coonan  Zoom on Noel Coonan  Coonan, Noel J. Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Costello, Joe.
Information on Simon Coveney  Zoom on Simon Coveney  Coveney, Simon. Information on Seymour Crawford  Zoom on Seymour Crawford  Crawford, Seymour.
Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael. Information on Lucinda Creighton  Zoom on Lucinda Creighton  Creighton, Lucinda.
Information on Michael D'Arcy  Zoom on Michael D'Arcy  D’Arcy, Michael. Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Olwyn Enright  Zoom on Olwyn Enright  Enright, Olwyn.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  Ferris, Martin.
Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles. Information on Eamon Gilmore  Zoom on Eamon Gilmore  Gilmore, Eamon.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  Hayes, Tom.
Information on Jackie Healy-Rae  Zoom on Jackie Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Jackie. Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil.
Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan. Information on Paul Kehoe  Zoom on Paul Kehoe  Kehoe, Paul.
Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Kenny, Enda. Information on Michael Lowry  Zoom on Michael Lowry  Lowry, Michael.
Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán. Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen.
Information on Pádraic McCormack  Zoom on Pádraic McCormack  McCormack, Pádraic. Information on Shane McEntee  Zoom on Shane McEntee  McEntee, Shane.
Information on Dinny McGinley  Zoom on Dinny McGinley  McGinley, Dinny. Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe.
Information on Liz McManus  Zoom on Liz McManus  McManus, Liz. Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis.
Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan. Information on Michael Noonan  Zoom on Michael Noonan  Noonan, Michael.
Information on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Zoom on Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin  Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín. Information on Aengus O Snodaigh  Zoom on Aengus O Snodaigh  Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Kieran. Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus.
Information on Jim O'Keeffe  Zoom on Jim O'Keeffe  O’Keeffe, Jim. Information on John O'Mahony  Zoom on John O'Mahony  O’Mahony, John.
Information on Brian O'Shea  Zoom on Brian O'Shea  O’Shea, Brian. Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan.
Information on Willie Penrose  Zoom on Willie Penrose  Penrose, Willie. Information on John Perry  Zoom on John Perry  Perry, John.
Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí. Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.
Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  Reilly, James. Information on Michael Ring  Zoom on Michael Ring  Ring, Michael.
Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  Shatter, Alan. Information on Tom Sheahan  Zoom on Tom Sheahan  Sheahan, Tom.
Information on P. J. Sheehan  Zoom on P. J. Sheehan  Sheehan, P.J. Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Seán.
Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín. Information on Emmet Stagg  Zoom on Emmet Stagg  Stagg, Emmet.
Information on David Stanton  Zoom on David Stanton  Stanton, David. Information on Billy Timmins  Zoom on Billy Timmins  Timmins, Billy.
Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna. Information on Mary Upton  Zoom on Mary Upton  Upton, Mary.
Information on Jack Wall  Zoom on Jack Wall  Wall, Jack.  

Tellers: Tá, Deputies John Cregan and John Curran; Níl, Deputies Emmet Stagg and Paul Kehoe.

Question declared carried.


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