Order of Business

Wednesday, 5 October 2011

Dáil Éireann Debate
Vol. 742 No. 3

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The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It is proposed to take No. 1, Road Traffic (No. 2) Bill 2011 [Seanad] — Second Stage (resumed); and No.5, statements on the recent developments in the eurozone. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that No. 15 shall be taken at 6 p.m. and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 7.30 p.m. and the following arrangements shall apply: statements shall be confined to a Minister or Minister of State and to the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order, and who may share their time, and shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case and a Minister or Minister of State shall take questions for a [564]period not exceeding 30 minutes. Private Members’ business shall be No. 28 — motion re closure of Army barracks (resumed) — to conclude at 9 p.m. if not previously concluded.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Is the proposal for dealing with No. 15 agreed to? Does Deputy Boyd Barrett wish to make his case on behalf of the People before Profit party?

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  I do. The eurozone economy is plunging yet further into crisis. The more certain countries impose their stupid policies of austerity and bank bailouts the worse it gets. The Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan, lives in a land of delusion and thinks the Irish economy can thrive when the rest of the European economy is going down the toilet. Faced with this unprecedented crisis all we get is an hour and a half to discuss the situation. We need much more time for a full and proper debate on this most serious crisis which will effectively determine the future of our economy and society for years to come. We should be given a little more time for a proper debate on this matter than the Taoiseach has allowed.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Does Deputy Martin disagree with this motion?

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Yes. I raised the matter yesterday and last week. Without question, the euro crisis is the most grave crisis facing not only this country but the European Union and the European monetary system. It is extraordinary that in this House we are giving so little time to proper debate and questions in regard to the most fundamental issues now facing the euro currency. I find it extraordinary that over the past month we have had precious little time for this, even in terms of debating the outcome of the July summit. It would have been normal for the Taoiseach to have reported on it to the House at this stage. The forthcoming October summit will clearly be the key summit in terms of the Greek crisis, the Italian downgrade and international questions raised about the eurozone itself.

  11 o’clock

Yesterday I asked if the Taoiseach would be taking questions on this subject today. I may have picked it up wrong but I understood he said he would participate in the debate. However, I note from the Order of Business that questions will be taken by the Minister. I realise the Taoiseach has taken a very hands-off approach to the entire issue, given his failure to meet eurozone leaders and so on. The Taoiseach should take questions today at the end of the debate. I ask him to do so, given the gravity of what is before us. It is the leaders of Europe who will have to deal with this in the forthcoming summit in a comprehensive and resolute way, something they have not done to date. There has been a fundamental failure of vision and leadership at the top of the European Union. There is an obligation on the Taoiseach to come before the House, answer questions and give the Government’s approach to the forthcoming summit and to the current euro crisis.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams  Zoom on Gerry Adams  I have a slightly sharper point to make. It is the mark of this Government not to have a full debate. We raised this issue of a debate on the euro crisis at least twice, perhaps three times, before the Taoiseach conceded it should be allowed. Given the news that came overnight about Italian bonds, does the Government’s original budget target of €3.6 billion to be taken out of the economy in December still stand?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  At this stage we are only debating the time available.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I assure Deputy Martin that I am here. He had first choice in today’s Leaders’ Questions to ask me a question about the eurozone if he had so wished.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  There is to be a debate.

[565]The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  He chose not to do that. He made a suggestion about answering questions. He had the first choice today——

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  This is just playing games.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  ——to ask a question about the eurozone crisis if he thought it was important. The second point ——

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Allow the Taoiseach reply, please.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The Deputy’s colleagues had an argument last week about wanting a debate on the eurozone crisis. They are getting that today. Now, judging by what the Deputy said, he wants me to take the full debate and answer the questions. I want him to understand this. Before the Heads of Government meet later this month the House will debate this matter, and again afterwards, so the Deputy’s party can have its full say and give its views. We have had to renegotiate the deal that party made.

Deputies:  Hear, hear.

Deputy Billy Kelleher: Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Is the Taoiseach saying he cannot have time?

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Is he taking responsibility for the memorandum?

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I do not find it in any way extraordinary, because we changed the rules. We will have debates both before and after European Council meetings take place. We did not have one after the July meeting. I concede that is the case but we are having the debate today.

In answer to Deputy Adams’s question, the Minister for Finance has made it perfectly clear on numerous occasions that in order to get to the 8.6% deficit we may have to have an extraction from the economy of between €3.6 billion and €4 billion. We do not yet know what the figure is because all the information relevant to making that decision is not yet available. However, these are matters the Deputy can raise. I look forward to hearing his contribution on how the Sinn Féin party proposes to deal with the situation in which the country finds itself and to hearing its suggestions for getting ahead of the curve of the markets in the European context. It will be very interesting to hear what Sinn Féin has to say. I note the party, which is an all-island one, is party in the North to serious cuts.

A Deputy:  That is right.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  ——in education and health.

Deputy Aodhán Ó Ríordáin: Information on Aodhán Ó Ríordán  Zoom on Aodhán Ó Ríordán  Austerity stakes.

A Deputy:  Strikes. All out.

Deputy Aodhán Ó Ríordáin: Information on Aodhán Ó Ríordán  Zoom on Aodhán Ó Ríordán  Resistance.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It seems that down here the impact of the Cooley Mountains means that Deputy Adams objects to everything that has to be rearranged or changed.

Deputy Boyd Barrett spoke about confidence, and all the rest of it. The live register figures for September 2011, to be published at 11 a.m., show 437,441, or 32,272 fewer than the August 2011 total.

[566]Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  That is wrong.

A Deputy:  They got jobs in London.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It is 4,976, and 1% lower than the September 2010 figure.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  They are in New Zealand, Canada and Australia.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It is the first year on year fall in the live register since April 2007.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Surely the Taoiseach is not claiming credit for that.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I admit that there are many young people whom I do not want to see leaving the country. However, this is genuinely good news for Ireland. It is replicated——

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  Some six hours will be devoted to the Second Stage debate on the Road Traffic (No. 2) Bill 2011 this week and the Taoiseach is only allocating 90 minutes for the debate on the crisis in Europe.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The Deputy knows a great deal about matters relating to road traffic on foot of the number of protests, etc., he organises.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  The Taoiseach will be seeing a few more of those in the coming months.

Deputy Barry Cowen: Information on Barry Cowen  Zoom on Barry Cowen  The Taoiseach should come to Mullingar at the weekend.

(Interruptions).

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I remind Deputies that we cannot enter into a debate on this matter, which merely relates to the allocation of time. In that context, I must put the question.

Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with No. 15 be agreed to.”

The Dáil divided: Tá, 94; Níl, 44.

Information on Tom Barry  Zoom on Tom Barry  Barry, Tom. Information on Pat Breen  Zoom on Pat Breen  Breen, Pat.
Information on Thomas P. Broughan  Zoom on Thomas P. Broughan  Broughan, Thomas P. Information on Richard Bruton  Zoom on Richard Bruton  Bruton, Richard.
Information on Joan Burton  Zoom on Joan Burton  Burton, Joan. Information on Ray Butler  Zoom on Ray Butler  Butler, Ray.
Information on Jerry Buttimer  Zoom on Jerry Buttimer  Buttimer, Jerry. Information on Catherine Byrne  Zoom on Catherine Byrne  Byrne, Catherine.
Information on Eric J. Byrne  Zoom on Eric J. Byrne  Byrne, Eric. Information on Joe Carey  Zoom on Joe Carey  Carey, Joe.
Information on Paudie Coffey  Zoom on Paudie Coffey  Coffey, Paudie. Information on Áine Collins  Zoom on Áine Collins  Collins, Áine.
Information on Michael Conaghan  Zoom on Michael Conaghan  Conaghan, Michael. Information on Paul Connaughton  Zoom on Paul Connaughton  Connaughton, Paul J.
Information on Ciara Conway  Zoom on Ciara Conway  Conway, Ciara. Information on Noel Coonan  Zoom on Noel Coonan  Coonan, Noel.
Information on Marcella MarcellaCorcoran Kennedy  Zoom on Marcella MarcellaCorcoran Kennedy  Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella. Information on Joe Costello  Zoom on Joe Costello  Costello, Joe.
Information on Michael Creed  Zoom on Michael Creed  Creed, Michael. Information on Jim Daly  Zoom on Jim Daly  Daly, Jim.
Information on John Deasy  Zoom on John Deasy  Deasy, John. Information on Jimmy Deenihan  Zoom on Jimmy Deenihan  Deenihan, Jimmy.
Information on Patrick Deering  Zoom on Patrick Deering  Deering, Pat. Information on Regina Doherty  Zoom on Regina Doherty  Doherty, Regina.
Information on Paschal Donohoe  Zoom on Paschal Donohoe  Donohoe, Paschal. Information on Robert Dowds  Zoom on Robert Dowds  Dowds, Robert.
Information on Andrew Doyle  Zoom on Andrew Doyle  Doyle, Andrew. Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Durkan, Bernard J.
Information on Damien English  Zoom on Damien English  English, Damien. Information on Alan Farrell  Zoom on Alan Farrell  Farrell, Alan.
Information on Frank Feighan  Zoom on Frank Feighan  Feighan, Frank. Information on Anne Ferris  Zoom on Anne Ferris  Ferris, Anne.
Information on Peter Fitzpatrick  Zoom on Peter Fitzpatrick  Fitzpatrick, Peter. Information on Charles Flanagan  Zoom on Charles Flanagan  Flanagan, Charles.
Information on Brendan Griffin  Zoom on Brendan Griffin  Griffin, Brendan. Information on Dominic Hannigan  Zoom on Dominic Hannigan  Hannigan, Dominic.
Information on Noel Harrington  Zoom on Noel Harrington  Harrington, Noel. Information on Simon Harris  Zoom on Simon Harris  Harris, Simon.
Information on Brian Hayes  Zoom on Brian Hayes  Hayes, Brian. Information on Tom Hayes  Zoom on Tom Hayes  Hayes, Tom.
Information on Martin Heydon  Zoom on Martin Heydon  Heydon, Martin. Information on Philip Hogan  Zoom on Philip Hogan  Hogan, Phil.
Information on Brendan Howlin  Zoom on Brendan Howlin  Howlin, Brendan. Information on Kevin Humphreys  Zoom on Kevin Humphreys  Humphreys, Kevin.
Information on Derek Keating  Zoom on Derek Keating  Keating, Derek. Information on Colm Keaveney  Zoom on Colm Keaveney  Keaveney, Colm.
Information on Alan Kelly  Zoom on Alan Kelly  Kelly, Alan. Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Kenny, Enda.
Information on Seán Kenny  Zoom on Seán Kenny  Kenny, Seán. Information on Seán Kyne  Zoom on Seán Kyne  Kyne, Seán.
Information on Anthony Lawlor  Zoom on Anthony Lawlor  Lawlor, Anthony. Information on Ciaran Lynch  Zoom on Ciaran Lynch  Lynch, Ciarán.
Information on Kathleen Lynch  Zoom on Kathleen Lynch  Lynch, Kathleen. Information on John Lyons  Zoom on John Lyons  Lyons, John.
Information on Michael McCarthy  Zoom on Michael McCarthy  McCarthy, Michael. Information on Nicky McFadden  Zoom on Nicky McFadden  McFadden, Nicky.
Information on Dinny McGinley  Zoom on Dinny McGinley  McGinley, Dinny. Information on Joe McHugh  Zoom on Joe McHugh  McHugh, Joe.
Information on Tony McLoughlin  Zoom on Tony McLoughlin  McLoughlin, Tony. Information on Eamonn Maloney  Zoom on Eamonn Maloney  Maloney, Eamonn.
Information on Olivia Mitchell  Zoom on Olivia Mitchell  Mitchell, Olivia. Information on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Zoom on Mary Mitchell O'Connor  Mitchell O’Connor, Mary.
Information on Michelle Mulherin  Zoom on Michelle Mulherin  Mulherin, Michelle. Information on Dara Murphy  Zoom on Dara Murphy  Murphy, Dara.
Information on Eoghan Murphy  Zoom on Eoghan Murphy  Murphy, Eoghan. Information on Gerald Nash  Zoom on Gerald Nash  Nash, Gerald.
Information on Denis Naughten  Zoom on Denis Naughten  Naughten, Denis. Information on Dan Neville  Zoom on Dan Neville  Neville, Dan.
Information on Derek Nolan  Zoom on Derek Nolan  Nolan, Derek. Information on Michael Noonan  Zoom on Michael Noonan  Noonan, Michael.
Information on Aodhán Ó Ríordán  Zoom on Aodhán Ó Ríordán  Ó Ríordáin, Aodhán. Information on Kieran O'Donnell  Zoom on Kieran O'Donnell  O’Donnell, Kieran.
Information on Patrick O'Donovan  Zoom on Patrick O'Donovan  O’Donovan, Patrick. Information on Fergus O'Dowd  Zoom on Fergus O'Dowd  O’Dowd, Fergus.
Information on Jan O'Sullivan  Zoom on Jan O'Sullivan  O’Sullivan, Jan. Information on Ann Phelan  Zoom on Ann Phelan  Phelan, Ann.
Information on Ruairí Quinn  Zoom on Ruairí Quinn  Quinn, Ruairí. Information on Pat Rabbitte  Zoom on Pat Rabbitte  Rabbitte, Pat.
Information on Dr James Reilly  Zoom on Dr James Reilly  Reilly, James. Information on Michael Ring  Zoom on Michael Ring  Ring, Michael.
Information on Brendan Ryan  Zoom on Brendan Ryan  Ryan, Brendan. Information on Alan Shatter  Zoom on Alan Shatter  Shatter, Alan.
Information on Sean Sherlock  Zoom on Sean Sherlock  Sherlock, Sean. Information on Róisín Shortall  Zoom on Róisín Shortall  Shortall, Róisín.
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Information on Joanna Tuffy  Zoom on Joanna Tuffy  Tuffy, Joanna. Information on Liam Twomey  Zoom on Liam Twomey  Twomey, Liam.
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Information on Gerry Adams  Zoom on Gerry Adams  Adams, Gerry. Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  Boyd Barrett, Richard.
Information on John Browne  Zoom on John Browne  Browne, John. Information on Dara Calleary  Zoom on Dara Calleary  Calleary, Dara.
Information on Joan Collins  Zoom on Joan Collins  Collins, Joan. Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  Collins, Niall.
Information on Michael Colreavy  Zoom on Michael Colreavy  Colreavy, Michael. Information on Barry Cowen  Zoom on Barry Cowen  Cowen, Barry.
Information on Clare Daly  Zoom on Clare Daly  Daly, Clare. Information on Stephen Donnelly  Zoom on Stephen Donnelly  Donnelly, Stephen.
Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  Dooley, Timmy. Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  Ellis, Dessie.
Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  Ferris, Martin. Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Flanagan, Luke ‘Ming’.
Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  Fleming, Sean. Information on Tom Fleming  Zoom on Tom Fleming  Fleming, Tom.
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Information on Seamus Healy  Zoom on Seamus Healy  Healy, Seamus. Information on Michael Healy-Rae  Zoom on Michael Healy-Rae  Healy-Rae, Michael.
Information on Joe Higgins  Zoom on Joe Higgins  Higgins, Joe. Information on Billy Kelleher  Zoom on Billy Kelleher  Kelleher, Billy.
Information on Michael Kitt  Zoom on Michael Kitt  Kitt, Michael P. Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
Information on Charlie McConalogue  Zoom on Charlie McConalogue  McConalogue, Charlie. Information on Mary Lou McDonald  Zoom on Mary Lou McDonald  McDonald, Mary Lou.
Information on Mattie McGrath  Zoom on Mattie McGrath  McGrath, Mattie. Information on Michael McGrath  Zoom on Michael McGrath  McGrath, Michael.
Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Martin, Micheál. Information on Michael Moynihan  Zoom on Michael Moynihan  Moynihan, Michael.
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Tellers: Tá, Deputies Emmet Stagg and Joe Carey; Níl, Deputies Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Seán Ó Fearghaíl.

Question declared carried.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  Will the Taoiseach update us on the banning of corporate donations Bill which was committed to by the Government? The Opposition brought forward such a Bill, but it was voted down by the Government parties. I presume the reason was to allow corporate donations to flow in for the presidential campaign. Will the Taoiseach outline the timetable for the Bill which was committed to by the Government?

[568]The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It will not be introduced in this session. We wanted to make it a priority, but because of the requirements of the troika legislation which had to be published and dealt with, it was pushed back a little, although not far.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  The Bill is available.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Yes, and the Minister, Deputy Hogan, has done much work on it. It will probably be introduced in next session.

Deputy Timmy Dooley: Information on Tim Dooley  Zoom on Tim Dooley  There is too much money flowing in.

Deputy Micheál Martin: Information on Micheál Martin  Zoom on Micheál Martin  The Taoiseach could have accepted our very comprehensive Bill.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It would not deal with the matter in the way the Government’s Bill will.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams  Zoom on Gerry Adams  I will make two points. The first concerns how debates, questions and answers are provided for. I took the opportunity to examine the work done by the last Government, when former Deputies Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen held the post of Taoiseach, and it is almost as if places have been switched. Many of the remarks made by the Taoiseach and the leader of the Labour Party when in opposition reflected the same frustration I am voicing. It is very difficult to have a proper debate. Earlier I cited the eurozone crisis as an example. Another is what has been referred to as the sale of non-strategic assets, in respect of which the Government has set out its intention to sell off such assets. Although it has qualified its intentions, we want to see the details. What will it do about Coillte, Bord Gáis and so on?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  This is the Order of Business. We are dealing with promised legislation.

Deputy Gerry Adams: Information on Gerry Adams  Zoom on Gerry Adams  When will there be a debate on these issues?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Has a debate been promised on the sale of the assets mentioned?

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  As I said to Deputy Martin, the Government has as part of its programme the realisation of €2 billion from the sale of State assets. These assets would be considered to be non-strategic which it would be appropriate to sell at the proper time in accordance with the best evaluation to be made. There will be negotiations with the troika as to how the proceeds should be used; the troika’s preference would be that they be directed towards debt reduction, while the focus of the Government would be on job creation and investment in infrastructure.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  Is the figure €2 billion or €5 billion?

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  We have not planned a discussion on this issue, but if and when decisions are arrived at, there will be a debate. Deputy Adams mentioned Coillte. There is no question of the ground and the land being sold. If a decision is made, it will be in respect of the crop. There has been no decision made. On any potential sales there will be a proper discussion following evaluation by NewERA and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, as well as consideration by the Government, including the relevant Ministers, and everybody else involved. The Deputy will have his chance, but no specific debate has been promised on the issue.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I remind the House that the Order of Business is a technical exercise to deal with questions on legislation.

[569]Deputy Niall Collins: Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  With regard to NewERA, mention has been made of the potential disposal of the remaining shareholding in Aer Lingus. Given the importance of the Heathrow Airport landing slots to business and balanced regional development——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  The Deputy should get to the relevant legislation.

Deputy Niall Collins: Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  ——will the Taoiseach bring forward legislation, in the context of disposal of the shareholding in Aer Lingus, to ring-fence the landing slots at Cork, Shannon and Dublin airports?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  That is not relevant to the Order of Business. The Deputy should table a parliamentary question.

Deputy Niall Collins: Information on Niall Collins  Zoom on Niall Collins  The question deals with proposed legislation.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  No legislation has been proposed in that regard.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport will consider the matter and the Deputy could table a question to receive an update. He would have it by next week.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  The Deputy knows that very well, as he comes from a long-standing political family. Deputy Ferris on the Order of Business. No statements please, Deputy.

Deputy Martin Ferris: Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  With regard to selling strategic assets on foot of the demands from the IMF and legislation that is due to come before the House, the stated purpose of the forestry Bill is to support the development of the modern forestry sector——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Just ask the question.

Deputy Martin Ferris: Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  ——which enshrines the principles of sustainable forest management and protection of the environment. How in the name of God can the purpose of that Bill——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  The Deputy did not hear what I said. This is about when legislation——

Deputy Martin Ferris: Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  This is a Bill that is due to come before the House.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Table a parliamentary question.

Deputy Martin Ferris: Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  The purpose of the Bill is being undermined by the intent to sell assets.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Please resume your seat. I call Deputy Fleming.

Deputy Sean Fleming: Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  In view of the number of small subcontractors who are facing bankruptcy due to their participation in publicly funded contracts, when can we expect the Construction Contracts Bill to be brought before the Dáil?

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The heads of the Forestry Bill mentioned by Deputy Ferris were approved on 10 March 2009.

Deputy Martin Ferris: Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  What about the purpose?

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  Yes.

Deputy Martin Ferris: Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  The purpose has changed.

[570]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  We do not deal with the purpose, Taoiseach.

Deputy Martin Ferris: Information on Martin Ferris  Zoom on Martin Ferris  I am trying to get answers.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  It is now expected to be published early in 2012. Second Stage of the Construction Contracts Bill will be taken in the Dáil.

Deputy Sean Fleming: Information on Seán Fleming  Zoom on Seán Fleming  When?

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  If Deputy Fleming will ask his party Whip to raise it at the next Whips meeting, a date can be arranged.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  There are only approximately 49 seconds left. I ask Deputy Mac Lochlainn to be quick.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  Do not forget me, a Cheann Comhairle.

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn  The Government has said it will transpose——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Do not mind what the Government said. Just ask the question.

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn  With regard to the EU directive to be transposed into law this year, will the Government ensure that rural dwellers will be assisted if they must replace their septic tanks? Will that legislation be introduced this year?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  That is for a parliamentary question. I call Deputy Ellis. We do not deal with parliamentary questions on the Order of Business.

Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Information on Pádraig MacLochlainn  Zoom on Pádraig MacLochlainn  What is the purpose of it then?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  It is to ask about when legislation is to be taken.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  The Taoiseach will remember Fianna Fáil’s waste——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Do not mind what Fianna Fáil said. Just ask about legislation.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  I will ask the question but I must have a lead-in to it.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Please get to the question. We are over time.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  I cannot just ask the question without a lead-in to it.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  You can ask, actually; it is very simple. Just ask when the legislation is due.

A Deputy:  He has a script, a Cheann Comhairle, and must read it.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  The Taoiseach will remember Fianna Fáil’s Waste Management (Amendment) Act 2001, which Fine Gael and the Labour Party opposed.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  The Deputy should resume his seat.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  It took powers relating to waste management away from elected representatives. There are thousands of citizens in this city——

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I call Deputy Flanagan.

[571]Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  ——dependent on waivers, such as senior citizens, the old, social welfare recipients and those on low pay.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Do not mind that. You must resume your seat.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  Has the Government any plans to amend the Waste Management (Amendment) Act 2001?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  No. Table a parliamentary question.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  What plans does it have, if any, to introduce legislation providing for a national waiver scheme?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Please, resume your seat, Deputy. You will not be called again if you continue like this. You know well what the story is.

Deputy Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan: Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  With regard to NewERA and the 100,000 jobs it is planned to create in the next five years, can the Taoiseach tell us what the other 350,000 people are to do?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  No, he cannot tell you.

Deputy Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan: Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  No, he cannot, even if he tried.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  Table a parliamentary question.

Deputy Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan: Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  I agree with you, a Cheann Comhairle. He cannot tell us.

A Deputy:  You are sharper than we thought.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  I would never make a joke about people who are unemployed.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I call Deputy Boyd Barrett.

Deputy Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan: Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  I did not hear his answer.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  On promised legislation and promised debates,——

Deputy Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan: Information on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Zoom on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan  Is it not relevant? It probably is not.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  ——I must correct the Taoiseach because before the summer break he promised we would have a chance to debate the sale of State assets. I ask him to keep that promise.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I am sure he will.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  What sort of debate is it if we do not get a chance to debate in this House the merits or demerits of selling off the family silver——

Deputy Barry Cowen: Information on Barry Cowen  Zoom on Barry Cowen  The ESB is for sale.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I am sure you will. Thank you, Deputy.

Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett: Information on Richard Boyd Barrett  Zoom on Richard Boyd Barrett  ——before the decision is made? Can we not have a democratic debate before a decision? We want to know if Bertie Ahern will end up owning the forests in this country.

[572]An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  We will now move on to the Road Traffic (No. 2) Bill——

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  A Cheann Comhairle, you have missed me.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  We are a minute and 42 seconds over time.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  A Cheann Comhairle, I asked about legislation for a national waiver scheme. Can I get an answer?

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  You cannot. It is not on the Order of Business.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  That is ridiculous. I am asking about legislation.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  That is not promised legislation.

The Taoiseach: Information on Enda Kenny  Zoom on Enda Kenny  The Deputy should table a question to the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government.

Deputy Dessie Ellis: Information on Dessie Ellis  Zoom on Dessie Ellis  It is promised legislation.

An Ceann Comhairle: Information on Seán Barrett  Zoom on Seán Barrett  I am sorry but we are out of time. When people call for divisions, they use up the time.

Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Information on Bernard Durkan  Zoom on Bernard Durkan  You missed me, a Cheann Comhairle. You listen to all of them over there.


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